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| Wątek: Żołnierze mafii |
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| Żołnierze mafii [wiadomość #20786] |
pią, 21 marzec 2008 17:08 |
 cold
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Witam wszystkich !
Poszukuję napisów do filmu "Zołnierze mafii"(Truands) ; nigdzie nie
mogę znaleźć....
Byłbym bardzo wdzięczny, gdyby ktoś, kto ma, mógł mi je wysłać na :
kchlodny@wp.pl
Z góry dziękuję !
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| | Wątek: Apocalypse.Now.Redux.1979.720p.OAR.x264-NWO |
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| Apocalypse.Now.Redux.1979.720p.OAR.x264-NWO [wiadomość #17692] |
nie, 16 marzec 2008 05:00 |
smogg
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Witam,
czy posiada ktoś z Was polskie napisy do
Apocalypse.Now.Redux.1979.720p.OAR.x264-NWO ?
pozdro
smogg
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| | Wątek: UNKNOWN TRILOGY - napisy potrzebne, ktomamoże? |
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| UNKNOWN TRILOGY - napisy potrzebne, ktomamoże? [wiadomość #16488] |
nie, 09 marzec 2008 19:24 |
Thunder
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| | Wątek: MythBusters 1-4 Seasons - Pogromcy mitów |
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| MythBusters 1-4 Seasons - Pogromcy mitów [wiadomość #16483] |
czw, 06 marzec 2008 15:23 |
MR Bean
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Witam widział ktoś napisy do pogmoców mitów ??
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| | Wątek: Łatwe Zarabianie...ZOBACZ! |
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| Łatwe Zarabianie...ZOBACZ! [wiadomość #16473] |
śro, 27 luty 2008 10:49 |
nailer4
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Jesteś na forum, na którym już Cię nudzi pisanie postów?
Chciałbyś to zmienić?
Jeśli odp. Na oba pytania TAK,
To wejdź na nasze forum ogólno tematyczne
WWW.LiveForum.pl
Tylko my płacimy za pisanie postów.
I tylko my dajemy:
1 poziom Poleconych, który wynosi aż 100%.
Zaglądnij na:
WWW.LiveForum.pl
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| | Wątek: szukam napisów |
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| szukam napisów [wiadomość #16472] |
nie, 24 luty 2008 19:32 |
schlamann
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witam serdecznie. poszujuje nastepujacych napisow:
Klopka, ( The Trap) (2007)
(wersja: 655 MB)
Żołnierze mafii, Truands (Crime Insiders) (2007)
(wersja: Truands.FRENCH.DVDRip.XviD-CRiMETiME.avi; 699 MB)
jeśli ktoś posiada to proszę o przesłanie na adres:
godeep@gazeta.pl
pozdrawiam
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| | Wątek: 3 planeta od słońca |
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| 3 planeta od słońca [wiadomość #16466] |
sob, 23 luty 2008 14:51 |
spiderpl
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Szukam napisów do 6 sezonu 3.planety od słońca. Bardzo dziękuję za
ewentualną pomoc
Tom
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| | Wątek: Kung.Fu.Fighter.2007.DVDRip.XviD-LAJ. |
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| Kung.Fu.Fighter.2007.DVDRip.XviD-LAJ. [wiadomość #16459] |
czw, 14 luty 2008 15:17 |
piotralski
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Od bardzo dlugiego czasu szukam bezskutecznie napisow PL. Moze ktos widzial?
Pozdrawiam
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piotralski
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| | Wątek: Germinal - pomocy! |
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| Germinal - pomocy! [wiadomość #16456] |
nie, 10 luty 2008 16:51 |
cimic
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Witam, szukam na gwałt napisów PL do Germinal z 1993 (Dvdrip DivX).
Jeśli ktoś coś wie, gdzieś widział, a najlepiej ma, niech od razu daje
znaka!
Pzdr!
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| | Wątek: BLOG ROKU GLOSUJ NAMNIE! |
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| BLOG ROKU GLOSUJ NAMNIE! [wiadomość #16451] |
sob, 02 luty 2008 19:12 |
Gahan Tyler
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Howdy
GLOSUJ NA MNIE W KONKURSIE NA BLOK ROKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JESTEM NA 1 MIEJSCU BO KONKURENCJA TO EHEM SLABA W POROWNANIU DO MNIE
POMORZ MI JE UTRZYMAC, A ZOBACZYSZ WIECEJ MOICH ZWARIOWANYCH
WPISOW NA TWOIM ULUBIONYM BLOGU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards,
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Wasz Michas M. aka Super Niania at tyler_1141@hotmail.com
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| | Wątek: Telenet nieuwsgroepen mededeling: nieuwsserver adres aanpassen/Attention: modification de l'adresse |
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| Telenet nieuwsgroepen mededeling: nieuwsserver adres aanpassen/Attention: modification de l'adresse [wiadomość #16448] |
wto, 29 styczeń 2008 20:55 |
info[4]
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Beste klant,
Telenet heeft een migratie gedaan van haar nieuwsservers.
Wat betekent dit concreet voor jou als gebruiker?
Er verandert niets aan de service, maar om verder gebruik te maken van de
Telenet nieuwsgroepen service moet je bij de instellingen van je nieuwslezer
het adres van de nieuwsserver veranderen van news.telenet.be of
newsbin.telenet.be in newsgroups.telenet.be. Verder dien je de authenticatie
op deze nieuwsserver uit te schakelen.
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Het Telenet team
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Cher client,
Telenet a effectue une migration de ses serveurs de newsgroup.
Pour continuer a utiliser les newsgroups de Telenet, modifiez dans la
configuration de lecteur de nouvelles l'adresse du serveur de newsgroup:
newsgroups.telenet.be a la place de news.telenet.be ou newsbin.telenet.be.
Ceci ne necessite pas que vous vous identifiez pour acceder a ce serveur de
newsgroup.
Cordialement,
L'equipe Telenet
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| | Wątek: The.Sasquatch.Dumpling.Gang (Gang Wielkiej Stopy) |
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| The.Sasquatch.Dumpling.Gang (Gang Wielkiej Stopy) [wiadomość #16445] |
pon, 28 styczeń 2008 15:17 |
fukasz
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Witam posiada ktos napisy do tego filmu?
The.Sasquatch.Dumpling.Gang.2006.PROPER.DVDRip.XviD-aAF
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Wysłano z serwisu Usenet w portalu Gazeta.pl -> http://www.gazeta.pl/usenet/
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| animesub [wiadomość #16443] |
nie, 27 styczeń 2008 16:35 |
Robert S
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ktoś wie moze co sie stało z animesub.info i jest skłonny podzielić tą
wiadomoscią.
ostatnio klikałam w zakładki ulubionych i ze zdziwieniem stwierdziłem ze
animesub niereaguje :-(
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| | Wątek: ZYCIE NA PODSLUCHU :-/ |
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| ZYCIE NA PODSLUCHU :-/ [wiadomość #16437] |
nie, 20 styczeń 2008 04:28 |
stabillo
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kurcze, przejrzalem necik, sciagnalem 3 wersje napisow, ze stronki :
http://tiny.pl/p6vj
ale zadne nie dzialaja poprawnie :-/ Pliczek jest na 1 CD i ma nazwe :
Das.Leben.der.Anderen.RSVCD.DVD.Rip.German.mpg
dlugosc 2h 11min 7 s.
Jesli macie takowy TXT,SRT , to prosze o namiary.
POZDRAWIAM, STAB.
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| | Wątek: [REQ] Aleksandra |
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| [REQ] Aleksandra [wiadomość #16429] |
nie, 13 styczeń 2008 12:28 |
Wojtek Karczewski
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Brak treści wiadomości
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| | Wątek: Wojna i pokój - szukam |
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| Wojna i pokój - szukam [wiadomość #16416] |
sob, 05 styczeń 2008 17:09 |
Jacek[10]
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Witam!
Poszukuje napisow do filmu "Wojna i pokoj" zarowno do wersji amerykanskiej
/ rok 1958/ lub wersji rosyjskiej / rok 1968 / . Niestety w sieci
znalazlem napisy wylacznie do wersji amerykanskiej i to w wersji
angielskiej.
Ma ktos moze ma i sie podzieli lub wskaze odpowiedni adres?
Z gory dzieki!!
Jacek
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Używam klienta poczty Opera Mail: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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| | Wątek: Napisy do x264 |
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| Napisy do x264 [wiadomość #16415] |
sob, 05 styczeń 2008 05:10 |
tommy
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Witam
Mam pytanie odnosnie napisow do filmow kodowanych w x264.
Jaki jest powod ze te same napisy pasuja w jednym playerze, a w drugim sie
rozjezdzaja. Z tego co wyczytalem na forach nie jest to tylko moj problem.
Uzywam subedita i kmp.
Z gory dzieki za wszelkie sugestie
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| | Wątek: M`I'5-Pers ecution . hara ssment at w ork |
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| M`I'5-Pers ecution . hara ssment at w ork [wiadomość #16413] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 06:23 |
femvi
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-= harassment. at work -=
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Once I stopped watching television and listening to. the radio at the end of
1990,. "they" had to find other ways of committing abuses. So they took what
must be for them a tried and tested route; they get at you. by subversion of
those around you. Since they wouldn't be able to do. that with my family or
friends, that. meant getting at people in the workplace to be their
mouthpieces and. do their dirty work for them.
They supplied my employers in Oxford with details from what was going. on in
my private life, and what I and other people had. said at my home and
accommodation in Oxford. So people at work. repeated verbatim words which
had. been said in my home, and repeated what I'd been doing recently. Often
the most trivial things, the. ones from your domestic life, are the ones
which hurt most. One manager in. particular at Oxford continuously abused me
for ten. months with verbal sexual abuse, swearing, and threats to terminate
my employment. After ten months I was forced to seek psychiatric help. and
start. taking medication, and was away from work for two months. I spoke
later with a solicitor about what had happened at that. company; he advised
it was only possible to take action if you had left. the company as a result
of. harassment, and such an action would have to be started very soon after
leaving.
Over a year later the same manager picked on. another new worker, with even
more serious results; that employee tried. to commit suicide with an
overdose as a result. of the ill-treatment, and was forced to leave his job.
But he didn't take action against the company, either. Abuse at work. is
comparable to that elsewhere in. that tangible evidence is difficult to
produce, and the abusers will always have their. denials ready when
challenged. And even. if a court accepts what you say happened, it still
remains to prove that abuse causes the type of breakdown. I had at the end
of 1992. In a recent. case before a British court, a former member of the
Army brought a case against others. who had maltreated him ten years
previously. Although the. court accepted that abuse had occurred, it did not
agree that depressive illness necessarily. followed, and denied justice to
the. plaintiff.
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| | Wątek: M.I 5`Persecutio n - why t he securi ty s ervices? |
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| M.I 5`Persecutio n - why t he securi ty s ervices? [wiadomość #16412] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 05:21 |
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-= why the. security services? -=
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You may ask, why do I think the "they" referred. to are the security
services? Is. there any evidence that there is a single source, as opposed
to a loosely based "whispering campaign" amongst many people? Even. if there
is. a single source, is there any evidence that "they" are professional
"buggers" as opposed to amateurs, or perhaps. people working for a privately
funded. organization?
a) As to. the question of a single source versus something more fragmented;
it is quite obvious that there is a single source from the way the. campaign
has been carried out.. Since things have been repeated verbatim which were
said in my home, there. must be one group which does the watching and
listening. Since on several. occasions (mainly during travel) people have
been. planted in close proximity and rehearsed in what they were to say, it
follows. that someone must have done the planning for that, and again a
single source. is indicated.
b) So why couldn't it be amateurs? Why couldn't it be. a private
organisation, for example a. private detective agency paid to manage the
campaign and undertake the technical aspects? Some. detective agencies are
unscrupulous as has been proved on. the occasions in the past when they've
been exposed or caught; they too can. have access to the bugging technology
deployed; and there are reported cases of MI5 paying private eyes to. do
their dirty work (against peace campaigners and similar enemies. of the
state) on. the understanding that if they were caught then they could deny
all knowledge. Why couldn't that be. the case?
The main factor pointing to direct security service involvement (as. opposed
to amateurs or MI5 proxies) is the. breadth of their access to the media in
particular, and the fact that the television companies are. so involved in
the campaign. The BBC would. not directly invade someone's home themselves,
since it would not be within their remit. to allocate personnel or financial
resources to do so. An organisation. of their stature would not take part in
a campaign. set up by private sources. The only people they would take
material from would be the security services, presumably on. the assumption
that if the cat. ever flew out of the bag yowling it would be MI5 who would
take. the consequences.
State sponsorship for these acts of. psychological terrorism is also
indicated by duration; support for over six years for a team of. three or
four people would be beyond the means and. will of most private sources.
The viciousness of. the slanders and personal denigration also points to
MI5; they traditionally "protect" the British state from politicians of. the
wrong hue. by character assassination, and in this case are using their
tried and tested methods to murder with words an enemy they have. invented
for. themselves.
And there. are precedents. Diana and Hewitt were alleged to have been filmed
"at it". by an Army intelligence team which had operated in Northern
Ireland, these allegations were made by. someone called Jones who had been
on the team. His statements were denied by the defence establishment. who
tried to character-assassinate. by describing him as the "Jones twins".
Funny how if you tell the truth, then you must be ill, isn't. it? Thought
only communists behaved like. that?
Hewitt later said that he'd been spoken. to by someone in the army who
revealed the existence of videotapes of. him and Diana, and that the tapes
would be published if any attempt was made by them to. resume their
association.
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| M'I`5'Persecut ion their meth ods an d tactics [wiadomość #16411] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 03:30 |
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-= MI5: methods and. tactics -=
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They deliberately set out to harass in a. way that would resemble the
symptoms. of schizophrenia, so that any report of the harassment would be
taken as indicating mental illness and. "treated" accordingly. They never
show their own faces; they only work. through proxies, in the media, among
the public, and by manipulating people in the. workplace. Since they do not
declare their identity. there is no evidence to initiate legal action
against the security services or. anyone else. The only people you can
prosecute are the proxies and they will deny knowledge of. any conspiracy.
By repeatedly humiliating and abusing the. victim, they induced mental
illness. This is the worst form. of human rights violation: making any
statement of the harassment. appear to be symptomatic of the illness which
they cause through. the harassment. That this can happen, and people collude
by silence, is absolutely. horrifying.
From the beginning in June. 1990 they set a pattern of harassment which they
have followed without change for the last six years. They paint me as. a
"threat" to which people must "react" (shades of Nazi. persecution methods),
while simultaneously portraying their hate campaign on which. they have
spent over a million pounds of taxpayers. money as a "joke".
The MI5. that breaks the law with the silent complicity of the police is the
same agency that is now seeking a role in the. fight against crime. Perhaps
the real joke is the proposed involvement. in the implementation of justice
of an organisation which commits. criminal acts with secrecy and disinterest
for. the legal process.
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| M-I,5-Persec ution ` my re sponse to th e harassment [wiadomość #16410] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 10:57 |
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=. my response to the harassment -=
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My first reaction in 1990/91. was to assume that if I broke contact then
they. would not be able to follow and would lose interest. So I did the
things that have been suggested by other people; I sold my. television,
stopped listening to the radio. and tried to withdraw away from the sources
of abuse as much as possible. I reasoned. that they must have more important
things to deal with and that normal people would simply leave me alone. if
it were made difficult for them to continue their. harassment.
I. reckoned without the sheer vindictiveness of the abusers. They did not
let up but instead "got to" people around. me, mainly people at work, to do
their dirty work for them. I went to see my GP, who refused to believe. what
he was. being told, and refused to direct me on to anyone who could be of
practical assistance. It was not. until three years had passed that the GP
admitted the matter was outside his. competence and suggested going to the
police.
In the. summer of 1994 we called in counter-surveillance experts from a
private detective agency to sweep our. house and telephone for bugging
devices. They conducted a thorough search and found nothing; but. as noted
above, since. the existence of surveillance was being forced in my face by
the harassers, you. would expect them to have taken the possibility of a
counter-surveillance sweep into account when planning the type. of devices
to. be employed.
In Easter. 1995 I made a complaint to my local Police station in London, but
the police. have not expressed any intention to do anything about the
continuing harassment ("we're not saying it's happening and. we're not
saying it isn't happening" were. the words used). I think the officer I
spoke to at Easter wasn't aware. of it happening, although other members of
the. police force obviously do know.
From. April 1995 until the present time the matter has been discussed in a
lot of detail on the. Usenet (Internet) "uk.misc" newsgroup. That discussion
has given birth to the article which you are now reading.. My hopes in
posting to Usenet were that. wider publicizing would discourage the security
services from continuing their. harassment, and "draw people out" into
concurring. with the truth of what was being said. Neither of those have
followed, but. the discussion has served a purpose in allowing this
structured report to. be created.
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| M I.5,Persecutio n purp ose in pub licizing i t; cens orship in uk. * newsgrou ps [wiadomość #16409] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 10:29 |
eifev
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=
-= purpose in publicizing it;. censorship in uk.* newsgroups -=
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The postings to uk.misc. newsgroup generated a very defensive reaction from
Usenet readers in the UK. So much so, that they tried. strenuously to
suppress what was being. said, both by breaking the rules of netiquette in
their responses on the forum,. and directly by action to revoke the account
from which the postings. were issued.
Yet the postings were within the normal. boundaries of behaviour for
uk.misc, and other less partisan spectators did not see justice in. the
censorship which was effected, as. the following excerpt shows;
:Karen. Lofstrom (lofstrom@lava.net) wrote
:>It does seem. that the frequency and the size of his posts are
:>approaching net. abuse. However, IMHO, they aren't quite there yet. If
:>his postmaster were to. act in this instance, it would raise troubling
:>censorship. issues.
The inescapable conclusion of the. censorship effected on the uk.*
newsgroups is that the British are. intent on their wrongdoing remaining
concealed, and therefore. seek to subvert and suppress freedom of speech,
not only in their own country where the media shows. xenophobic bias and
bile against all perceived enemies within and without, but also in. other
countries which have. their own statutes to guarantee the basic human right
of. free speech.
It is absolutely necessary to bring their hate campaign out. into the open
where it can be placed under scrutiny and. the harassers seen for what they
are. That is the only way of making it. impossible for the security services
to carry it out. There. is a wider dimension, though. Xenophobia as
demonstrated by British people and institutions over the last few. years
belongs to the same stable as racial hatred. In one case, two youths. on a
Tube train made that racism explicit by referring to their victim as. a
"soft toy, not up to. British Standards". Doubtless others victimize partly
on the basis of race (isnt it odd. that they chose to torment someone who
is not ethnically English?) while. expressing their abuse in terms of
another genetic attribute, namely mental illness.. All xenophobia on a
genetic basis is wrong, but. while racial insults are illegal, abusing the
mentally ill is neither against the law nor. subject to similar condemnation
when it is. exposed.
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| M'I.5,Persec ution , abuse in se t-up situa tions an d in pub lic [wiadomość #16408] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 10:01 |
ivemiei
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-= abuse in set-up situations and in public. -=
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Strangers in the street have. recognized me on sight many times, and shown
awareness of the current. thread of abuse. To give you one example, in 1992
I was seriously ill, and a manager. at work somewhat humorously said that
"it wasn't fair" that people were. bullying me. A few days later, I attended
for the first. time a clinic in London as an outpatient, and on my way out
was accosted by. someone who asked if "they had paid my fare", with emphasis
on the word. "fare". He repeated the word several times in this different
context; that they should have. paid my "fare", each time emphasizing the
word.
For two and a half years from the time. their harassment started until
November 1992. I refused to see a psychiatrist, because I reasoned that I
was not ill of my own action or fault, but through the stress. caused by
harassment, and that a lessening of the illness. would have to be consequent
to. a removal of its immediate cause, in other words a cessation of
harassment. I also reasoned that since they were taunting me with. jokes
about mental illness, if I were to. seek treatment then the abusers would
think that. they had "won" and been proved "right". Remember, the constant
theme of any persecution is, "we must destroy you. because you're X",
whether X is a. racial or other attribute. In this case the X was "we
persecute you because you. have brain disease". The similarity of this logic
to Nazi attitudes to. the mentally ill is striking.
The same manager. who'd said "it wasn't fair" asked me in winter 1992 why I
didn't seek. help from a psychiatrist; was it, he asked, because "they would
think they had won" if I sought. treatment? That was something I'd never
said at work... again, taken separately it proves nothing,. but many such
things over a period of months proves conclusively. that people in the
company knew what was going on,. and in quite a lot of detail.
Usually harassment in public lacks the. level of finesse of "paying your
fare". Most. people's imagination does not go beyond moronic parroting of
the current term. of denigration. That is not surprising given the average
level of the abusers; if they do not have the. intelligence to distinguish
wrong from right then neither will they have the capacity for. anything
other than mindless repetition of a monosyllabic term. calculated to fit
into. their minds.
The first incidents. of verbal assault in public were in again in the summer
of 1990, although. they increased in frequency and venom with time. In July
1990 the first public incident occurred on a tube train on the. Northern
line. Two men and their girlfriends recognised me; the. women sprang to my
defence, saying "He looks perfectly normal,. he doesn't look ill". Their
boyfriends of course. knew better, and followed the party line; one of them
made reference to an "operation", apparently to work at the tube. station
but implicitly to a visit that I had made to hospital a couple. of weeks
previously.
In August 1990 going home from college, soon after getting on a tube. train
at Gloucester Road I was followed by a group. of four youths, who started a
chant of abuse. That. they were targeting me was confirmed by other people
in the. carriage, one of whom asked the other "who are they going on at, is
it the bloke who just got on?" to which the. second replied "yes, I think
so". I was tempted to reply, but as in every other instance the. abusers are
enabled in their cowardice. by physically outnumbering the abused; any
confrontation would. result in my being beaten up, followed by a complaint
to the police that "he attacked us", and of course. he's ill, so he must
have been imagining that we were getting at. him. Shitty, aren't they?
But the shittiness. of the four youths on the tube train is as nothing
compared. to the episode on the National Express coach to Dover in the
summer of 1992. While going on holiday to. the Continent I was verbally set
upon by a couple travelling sitting a few. rows behind. The boy did the
talking, his female companion contributing only a continuous empty. giggling
noise. He spoke loudly to ensure other people on. the coach heard, always
about "they". and "this bloke" but never naming either the abusers or the
person he was talking about. He said. "they" had "found somebody from his
school, and he was. always really stressed at school". They must have dug
deep to find enemies. there; perhaps someone who dropped out of school,
someone who didn't do. too well later, who was jealous and keen to get their
own. back? The boy also said "he was in a bed and breakfast for only one
night and they got him". By a not. unexpected coincidence I had been in a
B&B in Oxford a week previously, which had been. booked from work; other
things lead me to the conclusion that the company's offices. were bugged for
most of the 2 1/2 years that I was there, so. "they" would have known a room
in the B&B had been booked. (But I'll bet "they". didn't tell the company's
managers their offices were bugged,. did they?).
After a few minutes of this I went back to where they were sitting. and
asked where they were travelling. The boy named a village in. France, and
the girl's giggling suddenly ceased; presumably. it permeated to her brain
cell what the purpose of. the boy's abuse was.
This and other set-up situations are obviously calculated. to provoke a
direct confrontation which would bring. in the police, with the abusers
claiming that they were the ones attacked. Again in 1992,. outside the
house where I was living in Oxford I was. physically attacked by someone -
not. punched, just grabbed by the coat, with some verbals thrown in for good
measure. That was. something the people at work shouldn't have known
about... but soon. after a couple of people were talking right in front of
me. about, "I heard he was attacked". The UK police have a responsibility
for preventing assault occurring, but they do not seem to. take any interest
in meeting that responsibility. I suppose their attitude is. that harassment
does not come within their. remit unless it involves physical assault, and
they will only become involved once that happens. That. is of course quite
the. wrong attitude for them to take, but as I now understand, the police
investigate only the crime they wish to investigate; if they do. not take
your complaints seriously then there is nothing you can do to make. them
take. action.
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The British police obviously do. know what is taking place. Besides my
interpretations of what individual officers have said which forces. that
conclusion, it would be inconceivable for. them to be unaware of something
on. this scale.
If they know, then they will know that the abusers. have broken laws in the
UK and abroad. Recently the. UK introduced laws against electronic spying
which carry a penalty of several years jail if caught. If the. police know
illegal harassment is taking place, and do nothing about it, then. they are
failing in. their responsibilities.
Last Easter (1995) I went into the local police. station in London and spoke
to an. officer about the harassment against me. But I couldn't provide
tangible evidence; what. people said, in many cases years ago, is beyond
proof, and without something to support my statements I. cannot expect a
police. officer to take the complaint seriously.
The current situation with regard to. the police is not one which allows a
breakthrough in dealing with the problem. On the one hand, most. individual
officers at a local police station may not. know about the ongoing assaults,
so a complaint. at that level will not yield results. Yet the police as an
organisation do know of the harassment,. and they must be aware that a
complaint has been made at. a police station. So it is clearly their duty to
take preventative action against the continuing molestation, but. because
the criminals are operating on behalf of a state. agency, the police are not
carrying out. their duty.
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The article of which part is reproduced below. was penned by Bernard Levin
for. the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991. To my mind, it
described the. situation at the time and in particular a recent meeting with
a friend, during which I for the first time. admitted to someone other than
my GP that I had been subjected to a. conspiracy of harassment over the
previous. year and a half.
>There is a madman running loose about London, called David. Campbell; I have
>no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should. certainly be
>approached with caution. You. may know him by the curious glitter in his
>eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that. does not suffice, you
>will find him attempting to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your. arms,
>all hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to. the same
>meeting-place. next year, he will heave another 80 at you.
>
>If,. by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him,
>you may feel sufficiently emboldened. to examine the books. The jackets are
>a. model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there is
>an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun,. probably not picked at random.
>Gaining. confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now, and the policemen, who
>know about such things, have significantly. removed their helmets - you
>could do worse than take the jacket off the first book. in the pile. The
>only word possible to. describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a
>glorious shade of dark green, with. the title and author in black and gold
>on the. spine.
>
>Look at it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it. truly does have
>real top-bands and. tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good measure, a silk
>marker ribbon in a. lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free,
>and the. book is sewn, not glued.
>
>Throughout. the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been
>chattering away, although what he is trying to. say is almost impossible to
>understand; after a time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent. to make
>clear that he is trying to sell the. books to you. Well, now, such quality
>in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited editions at. a
>fearsome price - #30, #40,. #50?
>
>No, no, he says, the glitter more powerful. than ever and the trembling of
>his hands. rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no - the books
>are priced variously at #7, #8 or. #9, with the top price #12.
>
>At this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back. on; one of
>them draws his. truncheon and the other can be heard summoning
>reinforcements on his walkie-talkie.. The madman bursts into tears, and
>swears it is. all true.
>
>And it. is.
>
>David Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the. whole of the
>Everyman's Library, which died a lingering. and shameful death a decade or
>so ago, and. he proposes to start it all over again - 48 volumes this
>September and 80 more. next year, in editions I have described, at the
>prices specified.. He proposes to launch his amazing venture simultaneously
>in Britain and the United States, with the massive. firepower of Random
>Century at his. back in this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf
>across the water, and no one who loves literature and courage will. forbear
>to. cheer.
At. the time this article was written I had believed for some time that
columnists in the Times and other. journalists had been making references to
my situation.. Nothing unusual about this you may think, plenty of people
have the same sort of ideas and obviously the. papers aren't writing about
them, so why should. my beliefs not be as false as those of others?
What makes this article so extraordinary is that. three or four days
immediately preceding. its publication, I had a meeting with a friend,
during the course of which we discussed the media persecution, and. in
particular that by Times columnists. It. seemed to me, reading the article
by Levin in Saturdays paper, that he. was describing in some detail his
"artists impression" of. that meeting. Most telling are the final
sentences, when he writes, "The madman bursts into tears,. and swears it is
all true. And it is." Although I did. not "burst into tears" (he seems to be
using a bit. of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince
my friend that. it was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin,
because,. of course, it is.
At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear. of being attacked by the
"irrational" subject of his story, saying "I. have no reason to believe that
he is violent, but he should certainly be. approached with caution". This
goes back to the xenophobic. propaganda of "defence" against a "threat"
which was. seen at the very beginning of the harassment. The impression of a
"madman running loose" who. needs to be controlled through an agency which
assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is. also one which had been
expressed. elsewhere.
In the final paragraph of this. extract, his reference to Everymans Library
as having "died a lingering. and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows
clearly what sort of conclusion they wish to. their campaign. They want a
permanent solution, and as they are prevented. from achieving that solution
directly, they waste significant resources. on methods which have been
repeatedly shown to. be ineffective for such a purpose.
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The article of which part. is reproduced below was penned by Bernard Levin
for the Features section of the Times on. 21 September 1991. To my mind, it
described the situation at the time and. in particular a recent meeting with
a friend, during which I for. the first time admitted to someone other than
my. GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the
previous year. and a half.
>There is a. madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I have
>no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly. be
>approached with caution. You may know him by the. curious glitter in his
>eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that. does not suffice, you
>will find him attempting to thrust. no fewer than 48 books into your arms,
>all hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the. same
>meeting-place next year,. he will heave another 80 at you.
>
>If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on. him,
>you. may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the books. The jackets are
>a model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply. laid out; there is
>an unobtrusive colophon. of a rising sun, probably not picked at random.
>Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now, and. the policemen, who
>know. about such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you
>could do worse than take the jacket off the first book in the pile.. The
>only. word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a
>glorious shade of. dark green, with the title and author in black and gold
>on. the spine.
>
>Look at it more closely; your eyes. do not deceive you - it truly does have
>real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and,. for good measure, a silk
>marker ribbon in a lighter green. The. paper is cream-wove and acid-free,
>and the book. is sewn, not glued.
>
>Throughout the encounter, I. should have mentioned, our loony has been
>chattering away, although what he. is trying to say is almost impossible to
>understand; after a time,. however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make
>clear that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now,. such quality
>in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited editions. at a
>fearsome. price - #30, #40, #50?
>
>No,. no, he says, the glitter more powerful than ever and the trembling of
>his hands rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no -. the books
>are priced variously at. #7, #8 or #9, with the top price #12.
>
>At. this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back on; one of
>them draws his truncheon and the other can. be heard summoning
>reinforcements on his walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears,. and
>swears it is all. true.
>
>And. it is.
>
>David. Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the whole of the
>Everyman's Library, which died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or
>so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again -. 48 volumes this
>September and 80 more next. year, in editions I have described, at the
>prices specified. He proposes to. launch his amazing venture simultaneously
>in Britain and the United States, with the massive firepower of. Random
>Century at his back in this country, and. the dashing cavalry of Knopf
>across the water, and no one who loves literature. and courage will forbear
>to. cheer.
At. the time this article was written I had believed for some time that
columnists in the Times and other. journalists had been making references to
my situation. Nothing. unusual about this you may think, plenty of people
have the same sort of ideas. and obviously the papers aren't writing about
them, so why. should my beliefs not be as false as those of others?
What makes this. article so extraordinary is that three or four days
immediately preceding its publication, I. had a meeting with a friend,
during the course of which we. discussed the media persecution, and in
particular. that by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article
by Levin in Saturdays. paper, that he was describing in some detail his
"artists impression" of that meeting. Most. telling are the final
sentences, when he writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and. swears it is
all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into. tears" (he seems to be
using a bit of. poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince
my. friend that it was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin,
because, of. course, it is.
At the beginning of the. piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by the
"irrational" subject of his. story, saying "I have no reason to believe that
he is violent, but he should certainly be approached with caution".. This
goes back. to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against a "threat"
which was seen at the very beginning of the. harassment. The impression of a
"madman running loose" who needs to be controlled through. an agency which
assigns to itself the mantle of. the "police" is also one which had been
expressed. elsewhere.
In the final paragraph. of this extract, his reference to Everymans Library
as having "died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows
clearly. what sort of conclusion they wish to their campaign. They want a
permanent solution,. and as they are prevented from achieving that solution
directly, they waste significant resources on methods which have. been
repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such a. purpose.
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Many people know, both in the establishment and media,. and among the
general. public. Despite an absence of its target from the UK for more than
two years, the echoes of paranoia can still be heard. loud and clear from
across the water. When it. started in 1990, the only people who knew were
those. in BBC television who were spying on my home, and a few radio
broadcasters. There were a few cases of public harassment, but very. little
compared to the situation that. developed a couple of years later.
The list today. includes BBC TV staff (newsreaders such as Martyn Lewis,
Michael. Buerk, Nicholas Witchell), people from radio stations such as
Chris Tarrant. of Capital and Radio 1 DJs, people in the print media, but
also many people. in the general public. All united in a conspiracy which
breaks the laws. which the UK does have regarding harassment, and all
completely uncaring for any semblance of decency. or elementary respect
for individual. rights.
The British police. (obviously) do know the nature of the harassment and in
all probability the identity of those behind it.. Some time ago I made a
complaint to my local police station in London, without. positive result.
The UK police are. failing in their duty to see the law enforced in not
checking. the abuse.
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The harassment didn't start by itself, so someone must have been there. at
the outset. to give it a firm push and set the "animals" after me. It looks
as if I was set up in June 1990, and the timing. indicates someone from
university. was responsible.
>One thing which has been missing. from this discussion is this simple
>prognosis: that maybe he is right and that, despite. his admitted
>mental condition, there really is a campaign against. him organised by
>now-influential ex-students of. his university.
In May or June 1990, Alan Freeman on Radio 1 read out a letter. from someone
who. had known me for a few years, who wrote of the one who "wore out his
welcome with random precision". (from the Pink Floyd song). Freeman went on
to. say to the writer "that's a hell of a letter you wrote there". The
indication is strongly that people I had parted. from soon before nursed a
grudge against me and were. trying to cause trouble for me.
The suggestion is that Freeman might have shown the letter. to other people,
and things could. have snowballed from there. Right from the start the real
source (security services presumed). didn't announce themselves as the
origin,. but let the "talkers", the radio DJs, believe that they were the
originators. Think. about it; if you announce, "we're MI5 and we have a
campaign against this. bloke" then people might not go along with it; but if
you say, "everyone else is getting at this. bloke because he 'deserves' it"
then people. will join in with fewer qualms.
>Why would. "they" wish to assassinate your character?
It's the classic case of hitting a. cripple to prove you're stronger. Why
would the security services expend hundreds of. thousands of pounds and more
than six years of manpower to try to kill a British citizen? Because. they
are motivated. by people who knew me at university and feel personal
animosity; because they. knew me to be emotionally weak, and it is in the
nature of bullies to prey on those known to be weak; and. because they can
rely on the. complicity of the establishment, which the security services
manipulate and derive. funding from. This is England's biggest humiliation
today, and the British security services are. intent on preventing their
humiliation becoming reality by. continuing their campaign of attempted
murder to suppress the. truth from becoming public.
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Here's. what a couple of other people on Usenet (uk.misc) had to say
regarding the cost of running such an. operation...
PO: >Have some sense, grow. up and smell reality. What you are talking about
PO: >would take loads. of planning, tens of thousands of pounds and lots of
PO: >people. involved in the planning, execution and maintenance of it. You
PO: >must have a very high opinion of. yourself to think you are worth it.
PM:. >But why? And why you? Do you realize how much it would cost to keep
PM: >one person under. continuous surveillance for five years? Think about
PM: >all the man/hours.. Say they _just_ allocated a two man team and a
PM: >supervisor. OK., Supervisor's salary, say, #30,000 a. year. Two men,
PM: >#20,000 a year each. But. they'd need to work in shifts -- so it would
PM: >be six men. at #20,000 (which with on-costs would work out at more like
PM:. >#30,000 to the employer.)
PM:. >
PM: >So, we're talking #30,000 x. 6. #180,000. plus say, #40,000 for the
PM: >supervisor. #220,000. Then you've got the hardware involved. And.
PM: >any transcription that needs doing.. You don't think the 'Big Boss'
PM: >would listen to. hours and hours of tapes, do you.
PM:. >
PM: >So, all in all, you couldn't actually. do the job for much less than
PM: >a quarter million a. year. Over five years. What are you doing that makes
PM: >it worth the while. of the state to spend over one and a quarter million
PM:. >on you?
Those are pretty much. the sort of calculations that went through my head
once I stopped to. consider what it must be costing them to run this
operation. The partial answer is, there have been periods when. the
intensity has been greater, and times when little has happened.. In fact,
for much of 1993 and. the first half of 1994, very little happened. Although
I don't think that was for reasons of money - if. they can tap into the
taxpayer they're not going to be short of resources, are. they?
The more complete. answer is in the enormity of what they're doing. Relative
to the cost to British pride of seeing. their country humiliated for the
persecution of their own citizens, isn't is. worth the cost of four or five
people to try to bring things. to a close in the manner they would wish? To
the. government a million or two is quite honestly nothing - if they can
convince themselves. of the necessity of what they're doing, resources will
not. be the limiting factor.
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Capital Radio DJs. have been "in on it" from the start. One of the first
things I heard in the summer of. 1990 was from a Capital DJ who said, "If
he listens to. Capital then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you see. We're
not bastards). Much of what. came over the radio in 1990 is now so far away
the precise details have. been obliterated by time. No diary was kept of the
details, and although archives if they exist may. give pointers, the
ambiguity of what broadcasters said would. leave that open to
re-interpretation.
In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made. an aside to
someone else in the studio, about a. person he didn't identify. He said,
"You know this bloke? He says we're trying. to kill him. We should be done
for. attempted manslaughter".
That mirrored something. I had said a day or two before. What Tarrant said
was understood by. the staff member in the studio he was saying it to; they
said, "Oh no, don't say that" to. Tarrant. If any archives exist of the
morning. show (probably unlikely) then it could be found there; what he said
was so out. of context that he would be very hard put to find an explanation.
A couple of days later, someone at. the site where I was working repeated the
remark although in. a different way; they said there had been people in a
computer room when automatic fire extinguishers went. off and those people
were "thinking of suing for attempted. manslaughter".
Finally, this isn't. confined to the established radio stations. In 1990
after I had listened to a pirate radio station in. South London for about
half an hour, there was an audible phone call. in the background, followed
by total silence. for a few moments, then shrieks of laughter. "So what are
we supposed to. say now? Deadly torture? He's going to talk to us now, isn't
he?", which meant that they could hear what I would say in my. room.
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PO: >Did you ever look for the. bugs in your house ? If not, why not ? I mean if
PO: >I thought that was happening to. me, I'd search the place from top to bottom,
PO: >I mean I live there I would know if anything was out of. place. If I was
PO: >really suspicious, I. would call in one of those bug detection teams which
PO: >have those machines that pick. up the transmitted radio waves. This
PO: >reminds me of BUGS,. that new programme on BBC1 on
That's exactly what we did. We. went to a competent, professional detective
agency in. London, paid them over 400 quid to debug our house. They used
scanner devices which go. to over 1 GHz and would pick up any nearby
transmitter in that range, they also checked the phones. and found
nothing... but if the. tap was at the exchange, then they wouldn't find
anything,. would they?
CS: >Doesn't this suggest to you that there are, in fact, no bugs. to be found?
You can assume that they've done this sort of. thing to other people in more
"serious" cases, where they would know. the targets would suspect the
presence of electronic surveillance.. So they will have developed techniques
and devices which are not readily detectable either. by visual inspection or
by electronic means.. What those techniques might be, I couldn't guess.
In this case, the existence of bugging devices was clear from. the
beginning, and they "rubbed it in" with what was. said by the boy on the
coach. It was almost as if. they wanted counter-surveillance people to be
called in, who they knew would fail to detect the bugging. devices, causing
loss of credibility to the other things I would have. to say relating to the
harassment.
I did all the things someone in my situation would do to try to. find the
bugs. In. addition to calling in professional help using electronic
counter-surveillance, I made a close visual inspection. of electrical
equipment, plus any points where audio. or video surveillance devices might
have been. concealed. Of course, I found nothing. Normal surveillance
"mini-cameras" are quite noticeable and. require visible supporting
circuitry. It seems to me the best place to. put a small video surveillance
device would. be additional to a piece of electronic equipment such as a TV
or video. It would be necessary to physically break. in to a property to fit
such a. device.
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The first. incident in June 1990 was when a BBC newsreader made what seemed
to be a. reaction to something which had happened in my home, and out of
context of what they were reading. My first reaction was. disbelief; nothing
of the sort had ever happened before, the idea that such a. thing could
occur had not crossed my mind, yet there was no doubt of what had. just
taken place. My disbelief eroded as this recurred time after time.. Besides
the news, offenders included shows such. as Crimewatch (!), Newsnight, and
"entertainment" shows. There seems to be very little moral. understanding
among the. people who make these programmes; they just assume they will
never be caught, so. they carry on without a thought for the illegality or
amorality of what they do. The only time I ever heard a word raised. in
doubt was by Paxman being. interviewed by someone else (I think by Clive
Anderson) back in 1990; referring to the. "watching" he said it troubled
him, and when asked by the host what you could do. about it, replied "Well,
you could just. switch it off" (meaning the surveillance monitor in the
studio). He clearly didn't let his doubts stand in. the way of continued
surreptitious spying from his own or other people's. shows, though.
Now you're convinced this. is a troll, aren't you? This story has been the
subject of much debate. on the uk.* Usenet newsgroups for over a year, and
some readers believe it to be an. invention (it has even been suggested that
a group. of psychology students are responsible!), others think it
symptomatic of a. derangement of the author, and a few give it credence.
Quite a few people do know part. or all of the story already, so this text
will fill in the gaps in their knowledge. For the rest, what may. persuade
you of the third possibility is. that some of the incidents detailed are
checkable against any archives of radio and TV programmes that exist;. that
the incidents involve named people (even. if those hiding in the shadows
have not made their identity or affiliations. evident), and those people
may. be persuaded to come out with the truth; and that the campaign of
harassment is. continuing today both in the UK and on the American
continent, in. a none-too-secret fashion; by its nature the significant risk
of. exposure increases with time.
On several occasions people said to my face that harassment from the. TV was
happening.. On the first day I worked in Oxford, I spent the evening in the
local pub. with the company's technical director Ian, and Phil, another
employee. Ian made a few. references to me and said to Phil, as if in an
aside, "Is he the bloke who's. been on TV?" to which Phil replied, "Yes, I
think. so".
I made a number. of efforts to find the bugs, without success; last year we
employed. professional counter-surveillance people to scan for bugs (see
later) again without result. In autumn 1990 I disposed of my TV and. watched
virtually no television for the next three years.. But harassment from TV
stations has gone on for over six years. and continues to this day. This is
something that. many people obviously know is happening; yet the TV staff
have the morality of paedophiles,. that because they're getting away with it
they feel no. wrong.
Other people who were involved in the abuse. in 1990 were DJs on BBC radio
stations, notably disc jockeys from Radio. 1 and other stations (see the
following section). Again, since they. don't have sense in the first place
they can't be expect to have the. moral sense not to be part of criminal
harassment.
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MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 7 April,. 2000
22,544. + 837 = 23,381
Last weekend I delivered another 837. faxes to politicians and the media on
the subject of the security service conspiracy which has. destroyed my
life. This brings the total in the last. three years to at least
23,381.. These totals do not include partially delivered faxes.
Some of the recipients of these faxes must know that. what I say is
true; and I hope to motivate those. people to acknowledge the reality of
the harassment which. has followed me for ten years. It takes much time to
transmit these articles, but as OCG MD Simpson-Wells said. to me in 1992,
you have to be a good communicator if. you are to succeeed.
Harassment in. February 2000
Following a quiet period of almost five months, the persecution. resumed
with a vengeance in. late January/February 2000. At this time I was at home
in Clapham, London and. was a relatively easy target for the
persecutors. They have my house bugged, for audio and I believe. video in
some rooms as well; so they can find out easily where I will be going on. a
particular day, and place people in that location to. mouth words of abuse
at me.. (I know the last sentence sounds like classic paranoia, but it
happens to be true, and some of the people reading this. know it to be
true.)
On Friday 11 February 2000 I went shopping in Croydon,. to buy a watch at
H. Samuels jewellers in the Whitgift Centre. While I. was there two youths
came into the shop, one of them quietly. uttered an obscenity at me, and
they immediately walked out. They showed no interest in. the shop.
That. Sunday I met with a friend in Clapham, who started needling me about
"do you know anything about the CIA. and FBI?". Rather unsubtle, and
worrying considering. Ive known this guy for 20 years. From the words and
demeanour of this "friend" and others in February, I saw that. the
persecutors have again been. trying to separate from me what remains of my
social. life.
Incidents in my Road in. February
MI5 very rarely place people in my. home road to harass me, but such was
their persecutory fervour. in February that they did so on three separate
occasions. On the first such. occasion, I was met my two youths who,
grinning, said a deeply offensive sexual. obscenity at me - at which I
coughed at them, so they called me. a "wanker". This incident is safely
recorded on minidisc-walkman, but because of the offensive. nature of their
abuse the recording will. not be made public.
Another incident very early. in the morning of Sunday 20/Feb/2000 occurred
outside my. home, following an evening in Croydon with some
schoolfriends. Again there were. two youths - for some reason the
persecutors always travel in twos. or threes, very rarely is there just one
of them - perhaps they need a group to bolster their courage, perhaps. just
one of them wouldnt have the guts to say something. unpleasant. One of the
youths said quietly, and. bitterly, "shitty, very shitty".
Anyway, in March there were no further incidents near my house in. in my
road, and our. neighbours are very well disposed towards us, so let us hope
that the current. quiet continues.
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MI5 Persecution Update:. Friday 31 March, 2000
22,544 Faxes Delivered in. Three Years, and Still No Breakthrough
In the last. three years I have sent at least 22,544 faxes to recipients in
the UK,. of which at least 13,974 have gone to Westminster. Last weekend
alone I sent 832 completed. faxes to politicians, the media and various
others, on the subject. of MI5s mistreatment of me these last ten years.
I believe some of the recipients know of MI5s actions. against me in the
last decade; yet they maintain strict "omerta". in fear of the security
services persecution actions being. made public.
MI5 Insist. that these Faxes must Continue
Between. September 1999 and mid-January 2000, the persecutors, whoever they
might be, mostly left me alone.. I counted only three incidents in almost
five. months - which is a lower rate than at any time since June 1990, when
this business. started.
By. leaving me alone for several months, the "oppressors" were making an
implicit. assurance that they would continue to leave me alone in the
future. On 11. January I posted to an internet newsgroup accepting what I
saw as. their assurance of no further harassment, stating that I would
cease sending these faxes - which is the only. thing I do in my defence -
if they continued to leave me alone. And for two weeks I did. indeed
refrain from distributing. these articles.
But MI5 acted in bad faith. From the last week of January. until the
beginning of March, they resumed their hate campaign against. me with a
vengeance. They even put people in my road three times. in February, one
instance of which I recorded. They resumed their normal. behaviour of
bugging my phone and. house, listening to where I would go, and then
placing people in that. location to "aggravate and annoy" me.
What MI5 did in February is. plainly a contravention of the Protection from
Harassment Act 1997, since. it has caused me "alarm and distress" as
specified in the Act. But it is a waste of time going to the police with. a
complaint, since the police have. done, and will do, absolutely nothing. I
complained to the Metropolitan Police in 1995, and they refused. to take my
complaint. When I complained again in 1999, the detective. sergeant laughed
at my complaint, with. the words, "It's an absolute load of rubbish. I
don't investigate rubbish. I can't. be more blunt or to the point than
that." It is useful to remember that the Met also. treated Stephen
Lawrences parents with similar discourtesy; police prejudices. are similar
in my case, so I can take some comfort from that case and. hope that one
day. I will get a fair hearing.
MI5 acted in bad faith, but they also acted with arrogance. They do. not
care if I send 800. faxes every weekend, since they know I cannot prove my
claims,. and the recent Shayler case shows how weak external oversight is
of the secret services. But they acted with more than arrogance -. the MI5
agents actually want my faxes to continue, they insist. that these faxes
continue, since my communications give them an excuse to. continue their
activities, and continue in the paid employ of the secret. service. Despite
their use of diverse proxies. over the last ten years, it is the same MI5
officers behind the campaign all the. time - I have seen one of them on
three occasions in Canada over a period of years,. and it is a safe belief
that that same person. continues to be paid for his "work" in harassing me
in London now. The. average cost of an MI5 employee is some 75,000 per
annum, so one may infer that their. officers are amply compensated; their
insistence that "hostilities" are maintained is understandable. when placed
in this. light.
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MI5 Want Me to Send. You these Faxes
MI5 seem to Want to Spin this Business out for. as Long as Possible
The MI5 persecution has now been going on, starting from June 1990,. for
well over nine years.. If I knew how to put an end to it then I would do
so. Of course MI5 have. indicated how they wish to finish the matter, by
finishing me off;. they indicated this very clearly years ago when they
were shouting "suicide" at. me.
But a deeper truth is that the MI5 agents. carrying out the persecution
rely on it for their income and their livelihood. They. have absolutely no
interest in anything other than. spinning out the whole business, because
that is how they. will maximise their earnings from their employer for the
"work". they do against me.
A vital part of the fantasy structure MI5 have created about me. is that I
am somehow a worthwhile target. If you bother to read these. faxes, if you
browse my website, or perhaps read my posts. on the uk.misc newsgroup, you
will have by now twigged that I. am a totally insignificant person who in a
proper dictatorship like East. Germany would not merit five minutes of
Stasi time. But Britain is improper in the methods of its. corruption, and
the Security. Service seeks to present me as being a an evil fascist, an
evil. communist, an evil something-else, and even a "national institution".
It occurs to me that to some extent I am playing into. their hands, into
their scheme of. things, by writing these articles and sending these
faxes. By doing these things, I elevate my. profile, and fuel MI5s paranoid
obsession. with me. But to stop sending faxes would be to give up the only
hope I have of seeing their campaign "outed". and justice done. Certainly
there is no. point going to the police again; and as remarked in a previous
article,. the Security Service Tribunal routinely whitewashes every
complaint that is. placed before it.
So although MI5 seems to want. me to continue sending these faxes, doing
this is the only real chance of getting this business out. into the
open. And so Ill continue trying to kick down their house of cards.. At
least my situation is less serious than. that of some other victims of the
secret services; unlike Shayler I am not broke and exiled;. unlike Fayed I
have not lost. a son to the posited activities of the secret services. All
I have lost is. some of my health, some of my life, and some of my possible
career.
MI5s. Abuse of me is without Cause or Reason
It constantly puzzles. me that MI5 refuse to leave me alone, wherever I go
and whatever I do, or rather, whatever I dont do, since. Im not a very
socially or otherwise active person. When I am. in England, they chase me
all over the place, and. once theyve found me, they pay people to shout
rude words at me. When I. am in Europe, they again chase me all over the
place, and as usual pay. people to shout obscenities at me. When I am in
Canada or. visiting the States, they faithfully chase me all over the
place, and when they find me, pay people to. shout obscenities at me.
It is hard to avoid the. conclusion that these MI5 operatives who chase me
are total lunatics. You will remember from. a previous articles the
assessment "MI5 Agents are Clinical Psychopaths".. They have tried to blame
me for what they do and what they say; yet. their lies have been
wafer-thin, and are clearly seen to. be oiled by the money which they
acquire from the. Government, and ultimately from the taxpayer.
They have tried various lies to put. the blame on me; "we have to abuse him
because hes a nutter", as. if there werent many tens of thousands of other
people with schizophrenia in the United. Kingdom. Their choice of abuse
words is. telling; subconsciously perhaps they realise that it is they who
are the "nutters", and they try to project. their own illness onto their
target.
MI5 Operatives have. Nothing Else to Do With Their Time
Ive seen the same "Alan Holdsworth". person three or four times over a
period of several years. I. saw him at the Civic Hospital in Ottawa in the
Emergency Ward, where he falsely declared his name. to be "Tad"; at Ottawa
airport. in summer 1998; and on board another flight in 1995.
So what we see from the above paragraph is, the same people are. delegated
to watch me for many years. Without. me, they wouldnt have a job. They
literally have nothing else to do with their time, except. indulge their
voyeurism against me. With this. observation, we come to the core of MI5s
campaign against me; these people. are not fit for any job other than the
exercise of voyeurism against me, and if sanity were to land on MI5. then
they would be out of a. job. If sanity were truly to land then these people
and. their employers would be prosecuted for offences under the Protection
from Harassment. legislation, which they are clearly breaking.
It is one. of the ironies of their campaign that MI5 have been trying to
make me an object of ridicule for completely trivial things I have. done,
while MI5. themselves have simply not mentioned how ridiculous is their own
behaviour and that of broadcast. media journalists, in spying on me while
they read the news for example. If the whole truth of this business. is
ever exposed, and despite all my. efforts it still seems there is a block
on its exposure in. Britain, then the rights and wrongs will be clear to
all, and no amount of MI5 lies will be able to change that. MI5. presumably
do realise just. how damaging such a revelation would be both to
themselves, and to broadcast media such as the BBC and ITN, because. there
has not been. even the slightest chink in the armour, despite four and a
half years of my complaints on internet newsgroups and by fax. to
politicians and. the media.
MI5s Final Kick in the. Teeth to the British State
For someone like myself born. in the late sixties it seems peculiar to
think that Great Britain once used to have. a say in the destiny of foreign
peoples in far-off sections of. the globe. Modern Britons tacitly accept
the lowering of their country to a third-rate power reliant on the. United
States for what little say it. has in the world. A third-rate power, now
"reverse-colonised" by third world peoples it once ruled. and riven with
internal. problems so severe the government hardly dares acknowledge them.
To this third-rate power. the MI5 secret police are delivering the final
kick in the teeth through a campaign of persecution. which is guaranteed to
hold the. state up to ridicule throughout the world when it is finally
exposed. As a. "thought experiment" suppose the French or the Spanish
security. service had done to one of their own born citizens what MI5 has
done in this country.. Suppose say the Spanish had planted hidden cameras
in his home, for. the perverted pleasure of their state television
newscasters, just as. hidden cameras have been placed in my home for the
perverted pleasure of Martyn. Lewis, Nicholas Witchell et al. Suppose the
Spanish service had for nine. years been trying to force suicide on their
target; at times, so. blatantly that they shouted the word "suicide".
Now suppose they. were caught.
Of course, as long. as MI5 arent caught, theyre laughing. The psychopathic
security service agents gets their kicks from shouting abuse at. me; the
newscasters,. Lewis, Witchell etc get their jollies, "it was so funny", we
were. watching this bloke and he couldnt do anything about it.
But once. theyre caught, the sky falls in. Of course, the
"patriotic" MI5-funded media in Britain will try to put. the best spin on
the MI5/media activities; it was the. targets fault, of course. But most of
the world bears no allegiance to Britain.. If this business is ever exposed
then a weakened Britain will become the laughing-stock. of the world. And I
promise you, the security services persecution of me will be. exposed. MI5
has delivered a final kick in the teeth to the British state,. and I will
do everything I can to ensure. the world hears about what they have done.
Metropolitan Police. Refuse to Investigate the MI5 persecution
I have on a couple. of occasions tried to motivate the police to
investigate MI5s actions against me. On each occasion they. have refused to
do so.. In 1995 I went to my local police station and spoke to an officer
there; he refused to accept. my complaint, and seemed interested only in
seeing me leave the station. as quickly as possible.
Earlier this year. I had some communications with Det.Sgt.Richards of
Charing Cross police. Again I asked him. to deal with MI5s actions against
me. Unfortunately DS Richards conformed to. the negative stereotype of the
bigoted, ignorant "copper"; he said, "I have read your. various bits on the
internet. I'm. afraid there is no substance or credence to it. It's an
absolute load of rubbish. I. don't investigate rubbish. I can't be more
blunt or to the point than. that."
You have to wonder at the state of law enforcement in Britain. If. the
victim of a murder is black, as happened in the Lawrence. case, the police
deliberately botch the investigation.. If the victim of a crime is mentally
ill,. and the perpetrators are the secret services, as in my case, then the
police. refuse to even begin to investigate the crimes
committed. Politically Britain is. a third-rate country, but from the point
of view of obtaining justice, Britain ranks. down there with third-world
countries. You almost feel that MI5 and their media buddies would not. even
have. any shame if their activities against me were exposed; after all, why
should they? they have the money,. they have the control, OK so perhaps
theyve broken a few dozen laws, but doesnt the fact that. the police are
too corrupt to investigate. these crimes, doesnt that prove that in fact no
crimes have. been committed?
I should say again what I have said earlier in this article. My. losses
over the last nine years have not been as. great as those of other victims
of British Secret Police. malefaction. Fayed lost his son to their
murderous activities; in my occasional. communications with former MI5/MI6
employees I have. been informed that a "permanent solution" is not uncommon
for opponents of the British secret police.. I have lost health and
financially, but am obviously well. enough to keep fighting my case. Others
have lost much more than I. If the joke. which is British "law
enforcement" refuses to enforce laws against the. security services then
that is something that is recognised in other countries and. Britains stock
correspondingly falls. Not that it has very far. to fall; the days when
England had. any say in the world are long gone.
MI5 Want These Faxes to. Continue
Before the holiday, I said that. if MI5s harassment of me stopped, then I
would cease. my complaints. They have known very well that if they
continued to harass me then I would resume the. fax campaign in the
autumn. Yet they have not stopped persecuting. me. Recently a woman outside
my domicile screamed her head off with abuse in the direction. of my
window; and on Saturday 2 October, when I was shopping at a. nearby
supermarket, a man shouted the particularly vile sexual swear. word which I
have. heard many times before over the last few years.
MI5s attitude shows complete arrogance. Yet. it also shows that they want
the faxes to continue and deliberately try. to provoke me into sending
further faxes. The reasons for. this are given in the first paragraphs of
this article; the MI5 operatives who persecute me have nothing. else to do
with their time;. to make their campaign, against an apparently unreacting
target, have some value, they have to force me to react in. some way
against their actions; and by reacting in. this way, by bringing their
campaign to the attention of British politicians, I play. into their hands,
by giving their campaign the. attention and importance which they feel it
deserves.
In the short term, by sending these faxes,. perhaps I am doing something
they want me to do, but in the. longer term it is undoubtedly more in my
interest than theirs for their activities to be. exposed. If their
operatives truly do wish to see these faxes continued then. they are
committing a serious mistake, because it significantly increases the. risk
if. M.P.s (some of whom already know about MI5s activities against me) are
advised of. my side of the story.
I will continue to monitor. and record the secret services activities
against me over the. next few weeks. If they diminish and cease, as I hope
they. will, then I may be able to call a halt to these faxes; but that it
something which is entirely up to them; recently. their continued
harassment. makes clear that they do wish the faxes to continue, and in all
sincerity I do think they will continue their activities. and make it
impossible for me to cease. these faxes. It may trouble you to receive
these articles, but it. troubles me much more to be on the receiving end of
a national persecution. campaign; and while Britain does not have free
speech provisions as does Canada in the Charter of. Rights and Freedoms,
and the US in the. first amendment to the constitution, in practice I do
not think. anyone is going to try to have me locked up for speaking the
truth. I still cherish the hope. that the veracity I express will be shown
for what it is, and that the truth. will prevail and make me free.
Removing the Mask of Anonymity. from the MI5 Operatives
Undoubtedly one factor encouraging the MI5. agents actions against me has
been. the fact that they can shelter behind a mask of anonymity while they
carry out their abuse. This is both a sign. of their realisation that their
actions are criminal; for crimes. are harder to pin down and make a
coherent complaint about when their perpetrators are unknown; and it. is a
sign of their cowardice, since they lack. the backbone to say things to my
face themselves; instead they. almost always rely on third parties to carry
out the actual acts of. abuse.
On a. few occasions I have seen the perpetrators, but on each occasion they
have managed to preserve their anonymity. They. travelled on the same
British Airways flight as me in 1994; but BA have ever since refused. to
give up the passenger list for the. flight, and the police and lawyers have
proved useless in obtaining their identities from. the list. Also one of
them followed me. into A&E department of Ottawas Civic Hospital a couple of
years ago,. and gave his name as (if I heard correctly) "Alan
Holdsworth"; but the doctor refused to give out his. identity when I later
tried to. speak to him.
If only we knew the identities of the individual operatives, then. it would
be possible to find out the identity of their. employing organisation. But
I think we. know the latter already, since I have been accusing them on
internet newsgroups for four and a half years now, and. they have never
denied my guess.. Indeed, when I was travelling in January 1996 back to
Ottawa, two youths on. the (British Airways again, unfortunately) flight
made a lot of noise at me, one of them saying to the. other that I "didnt
know who we are". That is a wafer-thin denial; I had been saying for. a
year that they were MI5, so a stronger denial would. be necessary if my
guess were truly mistaken.. I think the lukewarm denial was worse than no
denial. at all, since it confirmed my guess that the employing agency was
indeed. MI5.
Conclusion
It has been suggested to me that. by sending these faxes I could be making
trouble for. myself; but I dont think so. My psychiatrist knows what I am
doing; indeed I have given him a couple of. these articles for him to cast
an eye. over.
I dont want to have to send faxes for. the next year, or the year after
that. But that is entirely up to MI5. If they continue to persecute. me
then I am. forced into defending myself. The ball is in their court, and it
is entirely up to. them what they do. If as I suspect it is their intention
that these faxes continue, if that is. what they insist will happen then so
be. it.
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Three. Years of "MI5 Persecution" Faxes
Ten Thousand Faxes, and. Still No Breakthrough
In the last three years I have sent at least 5,301 faxes directly. from my
computer, and 4,478 faxes through Demons. extremely useful TPC.INT service,
to politicians and. the media, in the subject of the "MI5
Persecution". This has obviously cost me quite a. lot of money, not to
mention time and effort. The aim of all this communication has. been to try
to put discussion. of the "MI5 persecution" into the public
arena; unfortunately, this aim has not been. achieved, yet.
This fax will be my. last transmission for the time being, since the summer
recess. is almost upon us. Depending on what the persecutors do between now
and the autumn, I. may or may not resume faxing later this year. In the
article dated 18/6/99. I said Id stop the articles if MI5 left me
alone; but they. seem to have no fear of these articles, since they kept
pursuing me in Poland and after my. return to the UK. Again, if they leave
me alone. this summer then I wont have to resume the articles in the
autumn; but. I think its fairly obvious that MI5 have nothing better to do
with their time than. to go after me, and its almost pointless to make this
offer when I know they. wont cease harassing me.
TPC.INT 1996, 1997,. 1998.....
Three years ago I. was living in Canada, and the only economic way of
sending faxes to the UK was. through the international email-to-fax gateway
TPC.INT. This highly useful and. totally free service converts emails
(which may. have Postscript-formatted attachments) into faxes which it
delivers. to any number within the UK. Using the telephone book, I
constructed a. computer database of M.P.s fax numbers, and used this
database to deliver copies of. the "FAQ - frequently asked
questions" article which Id written some. time earlier.
This service is. still operational, but given that I have resided in London
for the last year, I do not need to use. Demons service when I can send
articles directly from. my own computer using its fax/modem, which is what
I have been doing since 1998.. However, instead of just sending the FAQ
article, Ive been. composing articles on various aspects of MI5s treatment
of. me. Since their activities have been going on for nine years now, and
there. have been various aspects to their actions; they have harassed me at
work, at home, through the media, etc; I have so far not run. out of things
to say, particularly since their harassment of me is still ongoing,. and I
have been able to record the. actual words used by their paid agents on my
minidisc-walkman. Since mid-March 1999. I have been sending these articles
pretty. much every weekend.
Anyway,. as mentioned above, I intend this to be the final transmission
before the. summer recess, and it would be nice not to have to continue
these articles in the autumn. But thats something. that depends on them,
not me,. and their attitude is unfortunately clear.
Why am I sending. these articles?
Because I want the. harassment to stop. The cynical reader might think from
these. articles that I "thrive on adversity" and would be lost without the
harassment to complain about; but that is not the case. In. a perfect world
I. would like to return to work, in a job unsullied by MI5s attempts to
ruin it; I would. like to live in a house which wasnt bugged, with my words
being. repeated at me wherever I go; I would like a normal life. I do not
particularly thrive. on adversity; I am beaten down by adversity; the
purpose of these faxes is to try to bring the whole matter out. into the
public arena, where the rights and wrongs would. be visible to all, and
once that were to happen,. the adversity might cease. I have had something
approaching a normal life a couple of times in the last nine years,. but
always, in the end, MI5 turn up and ruin it.. I just want these people out
of my life, permanently, and the only way of doing. that is to kick this
business. into the public arena, and shame MI5 so that they are incapable
of doing. me further damage.
Having said that, unfortunately it seems fairly obvious by. now that these
faxed articles are not going to achieve that aim. Some of the. recipients
know what I. am saying is true; but they choose to stay quiet - wisely,
because if they were. to admit the truth of these articles, then they would
bring the wrath of MI5 down on their heads. Presumably most. recipients do
not know these articles are true; their reaction to me is the same as. my
reaction to the other apparently. deluded people who have sent me email
after reading my webpage to tell me it. happened to them too; the reaction
being, "leave me alone, I dont want to know". Its sad that many. M.P.s have
given me this reaction, because my. case genuinely is different; I
genuinely am telling the truth, and the harassment genuinely. is happening
to me,. and some recipients of this fax know this to be true.
"Write to your. own M.P."
My local M.P.. is Mr Keith Hill, Labour-Streatham. He refuses to have
anything to do. with me. He refuses to represent me, he refuses to talk to
me, he has told me not to. communicate with him. He has done absolutely
nothing to help me, and he has told me he will do absolutely. nothing to
help. me.
Other M.P.s, recipients of these faxes, have for. quite some time been
telling me, "write to your own M.P.". . On 23 March 1998, Paul Burstow
M.P. wrote to. me; "Whilst I take the issues that you raise seriously,
there is a strict Parliamentary convention that one Member of. Parliament
does not take up anothers casework. Can I suggest that you write. to your
own M.P. at the House of Commons?" Hopefully the. above paragraph will
make. clear that I have written to my own M.P. and he has proved unhelpful.
Other M.P.s have told me the same thing. On 21 May 1998, John. McFall
M.P.. told me, "... there is a parliamentary convention that M.P.s do not
take up cases of people not in their constituency..... therefore can. I
suggest that you write to your local M.P. who. will be better able to
assist you." And. on 8 June 1998, Michael Foster M.P. wrote to me that
"M.P.s are inundated with unsolicited. faxes .... M.P.s have a considerable
amount of constituent work to deal with, thus other M.P.s. constituents
cease to be of concern. in so far as they should have a voice and
representation".
Simon Hughes M.P. wrote to me on 5. November 1998, "There is a strict
parliamentary convention which. states that I am not able to represent
individuals who. are not constituents of mine. My advice is that you find
out who your own Member of. Parliament is rather than circulating your
story to all M.P.s.". To my suggestion that. Keith Hill M.P. was doing
nothing. to help me, George Foulkes M.P. sent the following faxed
response; "If. Keith Hill your own M.P. cannot help no-one else in the
House. of Commons can." But it is clearly not a case of "cannot" help, but
"will not" help. I have detailed in letters. to Mr Hill specific ways in
which he could help me, first of all by. finding a lawyer to represent
me. It. is Mr Hills job as a Member of Parliament to represent his
constituents; if he chooses not to do so, then it. reflects badly on him.
Kate. Hoey Sympathises, but says, "Write to your own M.P."
Here is part of a letter Ms. Hoey sent to me on 15 June 1999.
I appreciate that you have concerns. about the persecution and harassment
that you feel. you are experiencing but I note that your MP is in fact
Keith Hill.. There is a very strict Parliamentary code which means that
M.P.s can. only take action on matters that relate to their own
constituents. I. am aware that you are not happy with the fact that you do
not feel. Mr Hill will assist you but I am afraid that I cannot take any
action on. your behalf.
Ms Hoey plainly belongs in. the camp of people who do not know about the
reality of the "MI5 Persecution". She doubts its. existence; "the
harassment you feel you are experiencing". She. urges me to see Mr Hills
assistance, as have other. M.P.s detailed above.
Really,. the fact that I am unable to obtain assistance from any other
M.P., if my own. alleged "representative" Mr Hill chooses not to represent
me,. is a very basic weakness in the Parliamentary system. Beinggmainly
events at my former. employers in Oxford during 1992, when I was harassed
constantly by manager Steve Mitchell for most of 1992,. and was forced to
begin attending hospital as an outpatient as a result.. This harassment was
obviously of Mitchells own volition, since I observed him. harass similarly
another new worker two years later; but it was also at MI5s. instigation,
since they. kept providing him with words from my home life which he then
proceeded. to abuse me with. Yet this is not the only employment that MI5
have destroyed; the MI5 persecution has lasted. from the end of my student
days until the present time, during which I have had three. jobs, all of
which have been in various ways destroyed by MI5s. deliberate actions.
In. March 1999 I decided to try to force the issue once and for all. Ever
weekend for. the last four months, apart from two weeks when I was on
holiday, I have sent original articles by fax directly from my computer. to
Westminster. politicians. Here is a summary of the articles of the last
four. months;
How to Identify. the Persecutors
Their use. of Schizophrenia to discredit my claims
Comparing the MI5 Persecution. with German "Final Solution"
MI5 are Plainly Trying to Kill. Me
MI5 Waste Taxpayer. Millions on Pointless Hate-Campaign
Four Years of "MI5. Persecution" Posts on Internet Newsgroups
MI5. Agents are Clinical Psychopaths
BBC Newscasters Lior the. Victims of MI5
MI5 Have. Systematically Destroyed My Life
Harassment through the. Radio
To my deep worry these. fourteen faxed articles have still not achieved the
objective of kicking the matter out into the public arena. and forcing an
admission either from the persecutors, or from those "in the know",. which
includes some. M.P.s.
I. dont really know what else to do to try to bring the "MI5
persecution". out into the open. I would have expected that these weekly
faxed articles would have had some effect, but the only result. has been
M.P.s telling me to. contact my own representative Mr Hill who refuses to
talk to me. I understand the convention that M.P.s. deal with their own
constituents and not those of other. M.P.s, but there seems to be a gap in
the process since it allows your own M.P. to. refuse to deal with you, and
then you are totally. denied any representation at all.
Conclusion
The only conclusion I can. inform the readership of these articles of, is
that there is no conclusion to this. matter, yet! Three years of
intermittent. articles, and four months of faxes every weekend, have been
absorbed by some of the most. powerful people in the country, to no effect.
Whether these. articles continue in the Autumn is entirely up to the
"opposition". I. offered them a cessation of complaints if they would leave
me alone on. holiday in June/July, and they went right ahead and harassed
me anyway, on holiday and after I returned to London. If MI5. cease their
activities now, then I. wont have to continue these faxes in the
autumn; but I suspect they wont cease, which means youre. in for more
articles later this year. "There will be. no conclusion."
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pon, 31 grudzień 2007 05:07 |
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MI5. Persecution Update: Friday 9 July, 1999
Harassment in. Poland, July 1999
And still it continues.... in my last. fax I said that provided MI5 made no
attempts at. harassment during my two-week holiday this summer, or after I
returned. to England, then I would discontinue these faxes. Unfortunately
MI5 have. continued to harass me, both during the holiday and after my
return to London. I really. dont want to continue these articles, since
they take up so. much time and effort, not to mention expense; but the
Security Service wont even let me have a holiday in peace. and quiet, so I
have to make further efforts to. bring their activities out into the open.
In early July I visited my aunt. and her family in Poland. On Saturday 3
July 1999, I went. to a family barbecue at an allotment outside the
city. One of my. aunts family has previously shown himself to be in the
"enemy" camp, by saying. the Polish equivalent of "something wrong with
him",. and various other unprovoked insults. It is disappointing that one
of my family could forsake the usual ties of blood. and take part in the
actions against me, but thats the way it is. This guy turned up. at the
barbecue, and started making. insults against me. In particular, he started
to say something about the. video camera which I had brought along on the
trip, and the relevance of the. video-camera to my fight against the
persecution.. It seemed pretty obvious to me that my enemies had told him
to turn up to this occasion, and most likely schooled. him in precisely
what words to say; since hes an unintelligent. person and would not be
able to think for. himself what insults to make against me.
Harassment. in London, week ending Friday 9 July 1999
Got back to London Wednesay afternoon. Two incidents. on the Underground
returning from the airport. Unfortunately I wasnt. recording because I
wasnt expecting trouble, so these slipped through. the net. One of these
was. verbal sexual abuse, of the type Ive heard many, many times before
these. last three-and-a-half years.
Yesterday, Thursday 8/July/1999, I switched on Heart. FM which had never
"got at" me before.... and the presenter started making jokes. about "mad,
crazy" etc.. Again, wasnt recording this because Id never had any trouble
from this radio station and. wasnt expecting any.
Also yesterday, on a bus (155?) from Balham to Clapham, a couple. of girls
started harassing me with. taunts of "crazy". By now I was expecting
trouble and recorded an audio file of this instance of. abuse, at web URL;
The cynical reader might think my demeanour or behaviour had. given rise to
the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure. you my behaviour on the
bus would not have made anyone think I was ill;. and the taunts the
previous. day were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite sure
that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative of. an
overall high level of awareness among the. London public, particularly in
the part. of London where I live.
Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my. elected representative, as ever
refuses to. help.
MI5 Persecution: Harassment. through the Radio
One of the aspects of the MI5 persecution. has been harassment through the
broadcast and print media; and one of. the aspects of harassment through
the broadcast. media is being "got at" by radio presenters. This being "got
at" from the radio takes various. forms, the most obvious form being
through overt or hidden words and insults.. But there are other, subtler
forms. In Canada. a couple of years ago, I used to listen to the local
radio stations every morning driving to work, and. listened to the music
only, switching between. radio station presets rapidly as soon as a
presenters voice came on, so that. I would not be subjected to any verbal
harassment by the D.J.s. But they found. a way around this; they kept on
playing the. same song, every bl**dy morning at the same time, which had
the words. "all coming back to me"; the perceptive reader will remember
that the words "coming back" have special. meaning (see the Private Eye
cover at web. URL; for the
hidden. meaning).
And thats not. the only time theyve allowed the songs themselves to be used
as abuse. against me; many years ago Radio-1 in the UK did exactly the
same, and the DJ even made it explicitly clear. by saying, "dont you
sometimes feel as if the songs were made. just for you".
"We should be done for attempted manslaughter". says Chris Tarrant
Capital Radio DJs have been "in on it" from the. start. One of the first
things. I heard in the summer of 1990 was from a Capital DJ who said, "If
he listens to Capital. then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you
see.. We're not bastards). Much of what came over the radio in 1990 is now
so far away the precise details have been. obliterated by time. No diary
was. kept of the details, and although archives if they exist may give
pointers, the ambiguity of what. broadcasters said would leave that open to
re-interpretation.
In spring. 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made an aside to
someone else in the. studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said,
"You know this bloke? He says we're. trying to kill him. We should be done
for attempted. manslaughter".
That mirrored something I had. said a day or two before. What Tarrant said
was understood by the staff member in the studio he. was saying it to; they
said, "Oh no,. don't say that" to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the
morning show (probably unlikely) then it. could be found there; what he
said was so out of context that he. would be very hard put to find an
explanation. A couple of days later, someone at. the site where I was
working repeated the remark although in a different way;. they said there
had been people in a computer room when. automatic fire extinguishers went
off and those people were "thinking of suing for. attempted manslaughter".
Pirate Radio "gets at". me
In another incident in. 1990/91, Id been listening to a pirate radio
station in South London for half an hour, when there was. an audible phone
call in the background, then total silence. for a few moments, followed by
shrieks of laughter. "So what are. we supposed to say now? Deadly
torture? Hes going to talk to us. now, isnt he?" which meant that they
could hear what I would say in my room. Note the word "deadly" -. they give
away. their purpose.
It constantly surprised me that MI5 are so easily able to. subvert
broadcasters, and, in this case of the pirate station,. to do so, so
quickly. I think the answer to this. question is that they must have very
wide contacts in. the broadcast media; presumably some or in fact many of
those contacts are literally "bought". In the same. way as they tried to
buy Jon Snow of Channel Four news, they must. have bought many broadcasters
and use them both. directly to make insults against me, and promulgate
their points of. view; but also, they must use these "bought" broadcasters
to influence. other television and radio presenters, who might not even be
aware that it was on MI5s behalf that. they were being influenced to "get
at". me.
BBC-Radio-1 D.J.s celebrate my job termination in. November 1991
This is another one. from the "early years". At the beginning of November
1991 my employment. in Woking, Surrey was terminated. Chris Tarrant of
Capital-FM had already made nasty remarks about both my work. for the
company, and the managers of the. company themselves - "so theyre not
really a serious company,. well theyd have to be to employ you wouldnt
they".
So when I was terminated, as you can expect,. BBC Radio 1 D.J.s
celebrated. On the. Saturday afternoon (either 9/Nov/1991 or 16/Nov/1991 -
I. cannot remember precisely) I briefly listened to Radio-1 and heard the
disc jockeys. loudly proclaiming "youre useless, you should be sacked". On
the same day, I went down to the Kwik-Fit in Tooting. to get my cars tyres
replaced, and in the. office ran into a couple of their staff, one of them
with an Australian accent, who said "what do you think. about it then? Its
getting killed on the. radio."
Plainly, if a random car-repair. shop in Tooting knew about the
persecution, then. many thousands of other people across the capital and
all over the. country must have known. And the phrase "getting
killed" shows very clear awareness of. what the MI5 Persecutors intentions
towards me were in 1991, and judging. by the continuing harassment, still
remain. today.
Recent Feedback from. Virgin-Radio
As readers will know, from mid-March. 1999 for some four months, every
weekend, I have bombarded Westminster MPs with. faxes about the terrible,
all-encompassing MI5. Persecution. (Jesting aside, it really is terrible
and all-encompassing, in the UK anyway.) In June 1999, after I'd. been at
it some three months, I started. getting "covert" feedback from Virgin
Radio.
The first feedback I got was from Danny Baker, on Sunday 13th. June. That
weekend I was sending an article which contained. biting criticism of the
police inaction in. this case. Danny Baker on his Virgin radio show started
an angry rant that "he knows it's rubbish", ie. he was. rubbishing what I'd
said in that weekend's faxed article. Unfortunately I wasn't. recording
this. programme.
The next. possible Virgin-Radio feedback was a week later on 19th June
1999. This is. contained in the audio file above, in which Johnny Boy on
his "Wheels of Steel" programme. says;
"and if you would like to put a triple play. together, ahhh.... because
quite frankly Hipster and me. are running out of ideas...."
He. goes on to counter Hipster's "how dare you" with a protestation that he
is "only joking". You can listen to this. incident on my website at URL;
What I reckon is that my. article faxed to MPs that weekend was forwarded
by one of. the recipients to Virgin Radio. My article had included the
words;
"I am beginning to run out of both. new topics and energy to write these
articles."
So what I reckon. is that Johnny Boy read the article.... and rephrased the
above line "run out of ... new topics" to. "running out of ideas". I
recognise that this is a. pretty tenuous inference to make.... but do
listen. to the audio file, from the "ahhh...." pause in JB's speech you can
guess. he is about to say something "risky" and at someone's
expense. Anyway, I listen to the. Wheels of Steel regularly and will
continue to do. so, recording it as I always do - so any future funny
remarks will get immortalised on my website! (There. was a previous
incident. from August 1998 which is preserved at web URL;
but I am sufficiently uncertain about it that I have not included. it in
this. article.)
First Ever Radio Reference. - Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1
The first time I was. ever referred to on the radio was sometime in May or
June of 1990, by Alan Freeman of BBC-Radio-1. Note that. this isnt an
"interactive listening" episode, its different, this was. Freeman reading
out a letter from one. of my "real life" enemies.
Id acrimoniously broken up with some former friends in. January of 1990,
and I think they were still trying to cause me. trouble in June of that
year. Freeman on his rock show read. out a letter from an "Andrew
Turner"; one of my acquaintances from January 1990 had been. called Andy
Turner, so I think its. the same guy. Freeman quoted Turner as saying
various things. about me, in particular Freeman said "thats a hell of a
letter you wrote there Andy", "with a. schizophrenic you're never alone",
and something about the "one. who wore out his welcome with random
precision" (from the words of. the Pink Floyd song).
When I. was looking for primary causes of the MI5 persecution, this letter
which Freeman had read out on his. programme struck me as being potentially
one of the. sources of the persecution. I know Turner and various others in
that group were very bitter. at what they saw as their failure and my
undeserved success, and they were quite determined to upset. the
applecart. Of course. several other primary causes are possible; I do not
know why MI5. chose me as opposed to someone else, and MI5 are hardly
likely. to tell me.
"Absolute Obscene" David Hepworth of. GLR
This one Ive assigned a 100% rating on the website. There are actually. two
separate incidents,. which are linked through the D.J.s choice of
words.. The first incident can be heard in computer audio at web URL;
On 21/Feb/1997, I was listening to BBC. GLR, by stealth. Back in 1990 I
used to have Capital blaring out of the speakers all. over the garden ("if
he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad", thanks ever. so much). But
now. I listen on my walkman on headphones with the volume turned right
down. It could not possibly be overheard by. any listening device, no
matter how sensitive,. because sound does not carry from the phones.
Yet somehow they are still able to tell which station I am. listening to on
the walkman. And last night,. I bravely tuned to GLR 94.9FM at around
8.45pm. Everything went well for the. first half hour or so. Around 9.10pm,
Hepworth said the following after. the song "Come Around" by the
Muttonbirds.
"coming. up after this, we got the rock-and-roll A-level, we have, I
assume, Brian. do we have an embarrassment of prizes in there, we do, don't
we, absolute obscene amounts of prizes, there will no doubt. be a riot at
the back door, and that's, er, A-level. coming up after this"
The key phrases in. what he said are, "EMBARRASSMENT of prizes", and what
he himself emphasized verbally, "ABSOLUTE OBSCENE amount. of prizes". It is
my belief (based on content and tone of voice) that when. he spoke these
phrases he. knew I was listening, and that the phrases refer directly to my
situation. The "EMBARRASSMENT". is the embarrassment he and other media
people. would feel at having their wrongdoing exposed; the "ABSOLUTE
OBSCENE" (which he verbally emphasized) described. the disgusting sexual
abuse which the. harassers have been throwing at me.
There was a. second incident, on 9/May/1997, which may be found on the web
(with. computer audio) at URL;
This incident again contains. the words "absolute embarrassment of prizes",
with the same emphasis as the first instance, and. laughter following the
phrase. So. theyre aware of the complaint I made on Usenet after the first
incident; and they are so arrogant that they. do exactly the same
again. They. are so arrogant, they know they are being recorded and that
what they say will. be published on the web, but they dont care. What
corrupt media, and what a corrupt country to. have such corruption in its
media.
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MI5 Have Systematically Destroyed My. Life
This is getting depressing. From the. feedback Ive received, the recipients
of these faxes are tired of hearing my complaints, and in truth I. am tired
of sending them.. The reason I havent yet ceased sending faxes is because I
cannot. think of any other effective means of replying to MI5s actions
against me, and I feel. I have to do something to try to defend
myself. Three/four years ago I. got the MI5 harassment out of my system by
posting about it on Internet newsgroups, and for a few. months this tactic
was quite effective - I received (and. indeed still do today) support from
newsgroup regulars, and felt I could make. my voice heard and break the MI5
monopoly on access to the British media. But that was years. ago, and today
nobody gives a tinkers cuss about. my internet posts - so I have sought to
escalate matters by. communicating directly with the politicians who
allegedly say. how this country is supposed to be run.
Of course, its quite expensive to keep up a campaign of fax. messages for
many weeks. Each set of faxes. takes approx 50 hours to send over the
weekend, and costs. perhaps 35. My phone bill for the last quarter was
350. These figures are. naturally insignificant compared to what MI5 have
been spending. against me over a similar period. It also takes a lot of
time and energy to create a. new article every week, and try and find new
and fresh aspects and viewpoints on MI5s. persecution of me. I am beginning
to run out of both new topics and energy to write these. articles.
So I. have a suggestion to put before the MI5 persecutors who have been
wrecking my life since 1990. In. a few days time I will be going on holiday
to. Poland and Germany, for a couple of weeks. Previously, almost every
time I have travelled by plane, or gone anywhere on holiday, the. MI5
"wreckers" have been most. assiduous in destroying these trips. My
suggestion is; if MI5 leave. me alone on this next trip, I will cease
transmitting these articles. If, however, there are any clear. instances of
harassment (and I am. very capable of recognising MI5 harassment when I see
it), then I will make. public these instances and publish any recordings I
may make. of them, and, unwillingly and unhappily, continue the articles.
Read about. the MI5 Persecution on the Web
Keith Hill MP (Labour - Streatham), my elected representative, as. ever
refuses. to help.
MI5 Refuse to Allow me. to have a Normal Life
Its kind of difficult. to contemplate having a normal existence when you
know your entire house is bugged from top. to bottom, for audio and, very
unpleasantly, video;. when your employment is systematically destroyed,
over and over again; when every time you leave the country your travel. is
disrupted by MI5 plants on the plane yelling. abuse at you..... you get the
idea. I. would like to have some semblance of a normal life, like my Polish
and English friends do. But MI5 have made this. impossible, and they have
leached massive resources from the taxpayer to institute. a life not worthy
of the name. on me.
A few years ago MI5 were very open about their aims in. persecuting
me. They were shouting "suicide" at me, both in Canada where. I lived at
the time, and during my occasional. visits to London. You cant get much
clearer than that.. There have been instances as recently as a few weeks
ago of. this intention being voiced by their side; on 15 April 1999, a
woman at the next ticket counter at the Royal. Festival Hall said;
"it would kill it, you know, it. would just be overkill... they can't stop
can. they"
meaning that "they" were trying to "kill it" i.e. me and they. "cant
stop". The audio. file is at;
I wonder why they "cant stop".. Nobody (who doesnt know already) believes
my claims -. so what difference would it make, if they were to
"stop" persecuting. me? Perhaps what this persons remarks indicates, is the
depth of the obsession MI5 have with this case. They. have chosen at random
a person from the general population, and done their worst. to ruin my
life. What is wrong with these people,. that they persecute a national of
the country whose citizens. they are supposed to protect?
No Chance of. a Harassment-Free Job
Since the harassment started in 1990 I have had three. jobs, the first near
Guildford, the second in Oxford, and. the third overseas in Canada. All
three jobs have been systematically destroyed by MI5.. It is so ironic that
MI5. employs a team of agents, each well compensated for their efforts, to
persecute just one person paid a mere fraction. of what they get for their
"work". In fact, it is a joke that MI5 is allocated resources for. this
sort of effort. If this area of government were run along commercial. lines
then MI5 would be very. rapidly closed down, they produce nothing of any
value, instead spending their time obsessed. with the bugging and
surveillance of their former employees like Shayler,. dangerous subversives
like Straw and Mandelson,. and "threats to national security" like yours
truly.
Applying for my first post. university job
When I was applying for my. first post-university job in the closing months
of. 1990, I found at two or three job interviews that MI5 had got there
ahead of me. Interviewers. knew what words to repeat from what had been
said at my home recently;. MI5 had supplied them with words to hurt me, and
the "British secret police" were trying to wreck my job search. and
discourage me from joining the world of work.. This and the continuing
harassment in the media and by the public meant that the search for a. job
took. very much longer than it would ordinarily be expected to take for a
person with my. qualifications.
With my first job near Guildford came the knowledge that MI5. were doing
everything possible to make me lose the job. Despite. their efforts I
managed to stay in work. for ten unhappy months, during which they made
very clear to me that they. were bugging my workplace, my accomodation in
Woking, my car, my home..... and they also made clear that they. had "got
to" my employer in. Guildford.
Employment. with Oxford
I was able to find a. new job, with Oxford Computer Training Services (now
ARIS/Oxford),. quite quickly. But it became very clear, very quickly, that
MI5 were treating this job the same as the first; they tried to get. the
other employees and in particular. the managers to attack me. It was
plainly MI5s intention that. I be sacked fro this job. But I was not
sacked; instead, after almost a year of. abuse from OCTS managers, I was
forced to seek medical help, and had. to take two months off for medical
leave. OCTS MD Hugh Simpson-Wells. was motivated in keeping me on by the
fear that if he sacked me, then I would take him to. court for the
treatment. OCTS managers had meted out to me during 1992.
Emigration to. Canada
When I emigrated to Canada. in 1994, I did think that perhaps MI5 would
leave me alone, given that I had made the. effort to leave the UK and try
to find a new life overseas. I could not see any. reason why they would
continue to harass me over in Canada. But clearly the MI5. agents had their
salaries to think about, since continue to. harass me they most certainly
did, at my home in Ottawa,. and by getting fellow employees to speak
against me, as had happened with previous. jobs in the UK.
MI5 are denying me a future in. work
Former Chief Constable of Devon and Cornwall John Alderson. had this to say
regarding MI5's. activities;
"MI5 is not under the same restraints. as the police. They infiltrate
organisations, people's jobs and lives. They operate almost like. a
cancer."
Currently I am on disability, and I. can see that MI5 are denying me a
future in work. It. would be an insult to logic for me to return to work
and find a job, in the knowledge that an entire team. of MI5 agents, paid
in total. many times what I would be earning, would have the objective of
seeing. me "done down" in the employment, and ejected from the place of
work. This situation is completely wrong and nonsensical - I. would very
much like to have a job, but MI5 are preventing me from even. thinking
about returning to work. The culture of secrecy in MI5/MI6 means there. is
no objective oversight of their expenditure,. when external oversight and
greater transparency might lead to wasteful and illogical. operations such
as that. against me being shelved.
Watched and Harassed at. my Home and Accommodation
As you will know if you. have been reading these articles, MI5 have watched
and harassed me at my home,. and at every accommodation Ive had since
1990. Theyve also watched me at. neighbours houses in London, and at
short-term accommodation such as hotels and bed-and-breakfasts. They. have
used the "words" gained from these watching activities against. me, by
passing these words on to other people such as OCTS managers for. them to
make clear that I. am being watched where I live.
Harassed at rented rooms in Oxford. in 1992
This was at its worst. in 1992 in Oxford, where during the week I lived at
rented accommodation in Oxford, and at weekends returned to my. parents
home. in London. I was being severely harassed by managers at my place of
work, OCTS; and. it was clear from the things they said that they were
being. supplied by MI5 with details of my home life, that they were being
supplied with words to. repeat at me.
In 1992 I. moved house in Oxford many times, living at a total of five
rented accommodations in ten. months. In January I started off living in a
rented room at Headington near the ring road /. A40 intersection; then when
it became clear. that house was being bugged, moved to a rented room in
Botley,. some miles away. It was at the house in Botley that I had an
"interactive watching" experience. with Martyn Lewis while he was reading
the news; I. threw a term of abuse at him; he first flinched, then gave a
gsult of what I had just said, he was no longer "on my. side".
So I moved house again. This time to. a place in Cowley, near the Rover car
works, where I stayed for a few weeks. Because of continuing harassment. at
work,. I soon moved from this accommodation, to yet another rented room on
Iffley. Road. By this time I was very ill and being abused continuously at
work. Again, MI5 followed me to the. rented room on Iffley Road, and
created new instances of "newscaster watching". There was a television. in
the room which I watched, and as you can guess the newscasters got. at me
when I was watching the television. Also once I was. assaulted, if thats
the. word for what happened, on leaving the house; a youth grabbed me by
the coat lapels, roughed. me up a bit with various terms of abuse. I did
not report this. assault to the police, because what was happening to me at
work was very much worse, and nobody seemed to think. that that was worthy
of being reported to the police. Later that day. at work, Alex G, a fellow
employee, said "I heard he was assaulted".... I had not told anyone. at
work about the incident that. morning..... so once again it was made very
clear that MI5 were watching my rented. accommodation and giving
information about what was going on there to managers. at work.
So I moved house yet again in late autumn 1992, this time. to a rented room
in a large house on Woodstock. Road. I stayed there for several weeks as
the situation at work deteriorated due. to OCTS managers abuse, until I was
forced to. take sick leave from work for two months and attend hospital as
an outpatient; at which point I gave notice on the. room, and returned to
London.
MI5 continued. to harass me after the diagnosis of serious illness was
made. As. reported previously, they harassed me on a flight to Spain in
December 1992; and in 1993, when I returned to. live and work in Oxford,
they again bugged. my rooms, as well as my workplace, although the
intensity. of the harassment was very much less than in 1992.
Watched, followed and harassed in. Canada
It dismayed me to find that MI5 would not leave me. alone after I had
settled in Canada. In January 1995 I rented. an apartment at the Bayshore
complex in Ottawas west. end. For some weeks there was no sign of the
"buggers". But. then it started all over again. They first bugged my car,
which had a car alarm installed - the alarm went off two or three. times in
a single. evening, and the following day gave a signal that the car had
been broken into. Then they bugged my apartment, and. in particular they
installed bugs. on the phone line in my apartment.
In September 1995 I moved to a. new apartment in Ottawas Bytown Market
area, the restaurant and entertainment. heart of Canadas capital. This
proved a serious mistake. In the west end. I had been fairly distant from
the centre of. town where MI5 concentrated their efforts at turning people
against me. In the Market area it was much. easier for the persecutors to
motivate people. to harass me, and over the next couple of years there were
frequent. instances of harassment by the general public.
From 1995 I had some Polish. friends in Ottawa, and as the reader can
guess, MI5 have spent much effort trying. to break up this friendship. They
supplied various things about my home life to these. friends, for example
where I. was living in the Market, directly over the road were the studios
of a music radio station, which you had to "look up" to see;. and MI5 told
these friends that I was "looking up" to see. the radio station; so the
friends then replayed these. words back to me, that I was "looking up". MI5
have also made various sexual slanders. against me, and these friends also
unwittingly replayed some of the words they had been imprinted. with by the
MI5. persecutors.
MI5 Will. Never Allow Me to have a Normal Life
I have heard many excuses. as to why MI5 continuously prevent me from
having a normal life. We are told that MI5 are. defending the country
against a tere. to zero.
When I have travelled abroad, they always put their people on the. flights,
on the journeys I undertake, to continue the harassment, so that. I am put
off further. overseas travel, and chained to my home in London. Yet even
this is illogical, because when I lived in Canada, they would. still put
people on flights back to the UK.... and what possible reason would. they
have for doing that? Perhaps the truest words to. describe the MI5
persecution is that reason has nothing to do with their. activities - sane
people do not behave in. the way the MI5 British Secret Police have been
doing.
Summer. 1999 - more MI5 harassment?
In only a few days time I will be. going to Europe again. This time I have
deliberately chosen to. travel by a non-UK airline; so we will see if they
put their paid. agents on this foreign carrier, we will see if they try to
harass me on this non-British. flight.
If they do harass me on this trip to. Europe, or if they resume the
harassment in. London after I return home, then I will continue to report
their activities in these faxes. As I said at the beginning. of this
article, I would very much like to. not have to send these articles any
more,. but that is not my decision to make - it is entirely up to MI5 to
cease their. pointless persecution of me, once and for all.
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MI5 Persecution Update: Friday 11 June,. 1999
Harassment in. a pub in Clapham, Tuesday lunchtime
Once a month, or once every other month, I meet a Polish. friends of mine
who lives in Clapham North, and sometimes we go to a. particular pub near
where he lives. The last time was. some two months ago; I did not have my
minidisc-walkman with me, and consequently was seriously. harassed by
people MI5 had instructed to harass me, in. the pub.
This Tuesday, 8 June 1999, we again. went to the same pub for a pre-meal
drink. This time I did have. my minidisc-walkman with me. As you can guess,
we were followed into the pub. by a couple of young people (Im getting
older and. older - isnt it funny how the MI5 agents all look young these
days?). They started talking about my situation,. in particular some travel
I had. booked the previous day. Unfortunately, they were talking fairly
quietly, and my minidisc didnt pick up. their speech.
MI5s schizophrenic reasoning is that. simultaneously I am very important
and worthy of their acts of persecution, and I. am also totally unimportant
and their abuse of me "doesnt matter". Perhaps they should. test their
agents and managers for obsessive personalities or psychotic features. in
the same way as employees are drug-tested. MI5 might lose their. "worst
cases" employees if some. psychological testing were applied to their
recruitment. procedure.
Toothless Watchdogs. What. a Surprise.
Recently I have been engaging in. communications with two watchdogs, the
Security Service Tribunal which deals with complaints. against the security
service (and always clears MI5 of any. wrongdoing), and the Data Protection
Registrar, which is mandated to. investigate misuse of personal data held
on. computer.
In a letter to Nick Brooks,. Security Service Tribunal secretary, dated 20
April, I. asked him if the Tribunal, as an allegedly independent body, had
the means. to investigate complaints against MI5 other than asking MI5 to
themselves investigate complaints. To my disappointment, his reply. two
weeks later answered the question. only indirectly, in the
negative.. Whatever the reader might think of the merits of the case I have
been putting before. you in faxed articles this last year and half, you
will surely recognise that it is a significant anomaly for the Tribunal. to
have. no independent means of investigating complaints, particularly given
the view expressed even by previous home secretaries that the. security
services. are untrustworthy.
MI5 Persecution: No Justice for the Victims of. MI5
In a previous article I detailed. the similarities between the current MI5
Persecution in England, and other historical. instances of similar
persecution, notably that by the Nazi Germans. in the thirties and
forties. The Germans persecuted first the mentally ill,. the epileptics and
those suffering from schizophrenia, then. moved on to racial groups; in
todays Britain the persecution is again. directed at those with mental
illness, which the. British in their cowardice find easier than taking on
racial groups as the Germans did. But just as in Thirties Germany. there
was. no recourse against a malign and omnipotent state, so the MI5 Secret
Police in the modern British. Fascist State allow no justice for their
victims.
No Recourse. Against the Security Services Illegal Harassment
It has become apparent. to me over the last nine years just how loaded the
dice. are in todays Britain, a fundamentally fascist country which
masquerades. as a democracy. Britain is a democracy in name only; the
Establishment, the defence and MI5. secret police are always there,
regardless of which party has been voted into. power most recently - and
from. "New Labours" conduct in office one finds it difficult to tell them
apart from Old Tories, in their crackdowns on the sick. and vulnerable in
society.
In thirties Germany. the victims of the Nazi regime had no legal recourse
against their. State oppressors; and in todays Fascist British state, the
victims of the Establishment and its MI5. Secret Police similarly have no
recourse against. the illegal state-funded and organised oppression. There
is. supposed to be a mechanism for dealing with MI5 crimes, in the shape of
the Security. Service Tribunal and Commissioner; yet these have never found
favour of a plaintiff. One might. as well ask the Nazi SS to investigate
crimes against epileptics or Jews as ask the Security Service Tribunal. to
investigate MI5 crimes. against British citizens; it is quite obvious what
the answer. is going to be, regardless of what you say to them, and what
evidence you provide.. The Tribunal and Commissioner are a mere formality,
a whitewashing body to give the. Secret Services a veneer beneath which
they hide their. shabby criminality.
"Institutional Racism" and Bigotry in the Metropolitan. Police
The recent inquiry into the. racist murder of Stephen Lawrence found clear
evidence of systematic and deliberate racism in the. Metropolitan Police,
which cannot. have surprised anyone. Commissioner Sir Paul Condon accepted
a somewhat lukewarm definition. of institutional racism as being
"unconscious". In truth, and. this truth must surely be obvious to anyone
who has any familiarity or encountered. the great British police, the Met
has not just "unconscious" racism,. but very clearly "conscious" and
deliberate racism, of the kind that would have. done Thirties Germans
proud. And it is a bastion of such open. racism - when many other parts of
society are learning to live in a multicultural environment, the Met. is
still living in the past in its attitude to. the minorities.
But in addition to the systematic racism confirmed by the. Lawrence
inquiry,. there is also something much more relevant to this case, which is
systematic police. bigotry against the physically and mentally disabled,
which I. personally have experienced in my dealings with the police over
the years. You cannot expect equal. treatment if you are mentally
disabled. I tried to make a complaint. to the police in 1995 about the
harassment I. had been subjected to for several years. As soon as they
found. out I had mental illness, they refused to even talk to me. I tried
again in March 1999; the police made various. threats to me, while ranting
about "your paranoid rubbish" in. reference to the complaints expressed to
them.
The police. refusal to do the job they are employed and paid to do is
extremely serious, particularly as. this case is highly important, indeed
key to the whole issue of British self-perception at the end. of the 20th
century and the beginning of the 21st century. Britain. has lost much in
the last fifty years - it has lost an empire, it has lost its. self-respect
and its identity as a people. If the MI5. persecution finally makes it into
the light and the Security Services are seen for the rather cheap. bullies
their behaviour indicates, it will have a massive and. harmful effect on
British self-perception in. the new century.
Security Service Tribunal -. Blatant Whitewashing
A few weeks ago I. spoke on the phone to Nick Brooks, the Secretary of the
Security Service Tribunal, which is. supposed to deal with cases of MI5
transgression. I asked him if the Tribunal had ever found in favour. of a
plaintiff and against. the Security Service. He answered that as far as he
knew, it. had not.
I also asked Mr Brooks if the Tribunal had. any means of investigating
allegations of criminal activity. by MI5, other than asking MI5 themselves
if they had engaged. in such activity. His rather circuitous written reply
states that the 1989 Security Service Act provides. that "it shall be the
duty of every member of the. Service to disclose or give to the Tribunal
such documents or information as they may require. for the purpose of
enabling them to carry out their functions. under this Act". Which is a
very round-about. way of saying - "No" - the Tribunal has no way of
investigating MI5 crimes - None. At All.
Setting. up the S.S. Tribunal, and creating a Security Service
Commissioner, was really an act. of falsehood by the government. It is
generally recognised that MI5 are out of reach of. the normal criminal
justice system - the police, as. we have seen, have no intesot answer to
the government;. in a previous article I quoted Roy Jenkins speaking of "a
secretive atmosphere.... secretive. vis-a-vis the government as well as
[enemies]", and a "lack of frankness" from. MI5.
If the government wanted to, it could. reform the secret services and
ensure they acted in conformance with the laws which have. been enacted for
them in the. last ten years. But apparently the present government does not
see any need to ensure security service compliance. with the law. As noted
above, the regulatory. machinery for MI5 is deliberately weak; the Tribunal
has no. independent means of investigation, and it is simply a waste of
time. complaining to the Tribunal or Commissioner.
Every so. often, fresh revelations come to light of secret service
transgressions. We. have heard from Shayler that MI5 bugged Jack Straw and
Peter Mandelson;. we have heard from Peter Wright that MI5 plotted to see
Wilson ejected from office; yet so closed is the system of. government that
the law is never enforced against MI5 when they "bug and burgle". everyone
from. politicians to ordinary citizens.
No Justice from the Legal System,. either
Britain has a civil and criminal justice. system which effectively limits
many complaints from. being heard. For a civil complaint to be brought
before a court, you need a solicitor willing to. act on your
behalf. Supposedly it is possible. to represent yourself as a
Litigant-in-Pthe basis of being "frivolous and vexatious". or "disclosing
no cause for action in law".. This is exactly what happened to me in 1997
when I twice tried to take the BBC to court for spying on. me in my living
room at home; my case was twice struck. out, and on the second occasion an
order was made against me that I. could not bring further civil litigation
against the BBC. without leave of the court.
As the reader can guess. it is quite impossible for a person with
schizophrenia, who. complains about the secret services and media
interfering in his. life, to find a solicitor willing to represent him in
legal action against the persecutors. I have quite a lot of evidence. of
the continuing persecution which I. have posted on the website, even if the
evidence is quite tentative and perhaps. open to varying
interpretations. But I have tried several firms of solicitors;. some of
them have acted unprofessionally and abused me; all of. them have refused
to. represent me. My psychiatrist gave me the name of the firm of Bindman
and Partners in central London, and. I have approached them twice. On each
occasion they refused to accept my instructions. Plainly the. problem with
Bindmans, which they have. admitted, is their bigotry against mentally
disabled people; yet this is not just. something that is wrong with
Bindmans, it is something that is wrong. with the legal system as a whole,
since the legal system necessitates finding a solicitor. willing to
represent you in order to bring. a case to court, but it does not have a
mechanism. for providing a lawyer in the case where no solicitor is willing
to take on your case. So. the British legal system is such as to prevent
cases such as mine from ever receiving an. airing in a court.
So much for the civil courts. But the. criminal justice system is no
better. Two years ago the Protection from Harassment Act. came into
force. But again, while. the Act is all very well on paper, in practice it
is unenforceable in. my case, since it would require Police action to see
the law implemented, and if the police. cannot even be trusted to conduct a
murder investigation competently. (in the Lawrence case), then what chance
is there. of their investigating complaints against the Security
Service? Of course,. it would be possible for me to personally issue
proceedings through a private prosecution either against MI5. themselves,
or against one or more of their media tools; but here we see. the same
problems as with the civil courts, because first. of all I would have to
find a lawyer willing to act on my behalf. Litigants-in-person do. exist in
the criminal courts,. but the Attorney General can bring such a prosecution
to an end by taking it over and entering. a plea of "nolle prossequi"; and
I suspect that if I were to. bring a private prosecution against either MI5
or one of their media tools, then this is exactly what. would happen.
So much for British justice. But if anything the wrongs that have. been
perpetrated. on me by the British justice system are quite mild to what
others have suffered. Others have been wrongly convicted based on. police
evasions and lies, and spent. many years in jail based on false charges. I
should count myself lucky that despite the best. efforts of the MI5 secret
police, I have not acquired any criminal charges or. convictions; which
shows that. for all their resources and influence, and the clear
imperfections in the British legal system,. there are still limits on how
much subversion MI5 can. achieve.
The latest in. a long line of injustices
A comment I heard during the recent scandal of the. police mishandling of
the Lawrence. murder investigation is that "its not as if the police
themselves murdered him". This is not. a particularly wise statement to
make. about the case, since it could be argued that the four alleged
murderers were aided in their crime by the expectation. that the police
would deliberately botch the investigation - which of course. is exactly
what. the police did.
But in my case, this would be. a completely inaccurate thing to say - since
the MI5. secret-police have expressly been trying to nine years now to see
an end put to my. life, either by having me incarcerated and my liberty
ended, or by forcing. self-termination on me. It is exactly as if the
secret police "themselves murdered [me]", since that is. what their aim is
in their. campaign against me.
The public has heard. of instances of police mishandling of cases, of
police manufacturing evidence,. lying in court, extracting false
confessions to clear up. crimes, et cetera. Various instances of
extra-legal activity by the secret services. have also come to light in the
last few years. The unhappy truth is that what. MI5 have been doing to me
for the last nine years is. really nothing out of the ordinary for them. To
me it seems unbelievable that this sort. of systematic campaign of
harassment, which thousands and. thousands of people in this country and
abroad are well aware of, could exist for such a long. period of time with
the media maintaining "omerta". But my case is. not the first such instance
of. persecution by the "British secret police", and judging by the lack of
any real controls on MI5, I very. much doubt it will be the last.
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MI5 are Afraid to Admit They're. Behind the Persecution
MI5 have issued a formal denial of any involvement in my life. to the
Security Service Tribunal, as you might. expect them to; but, more
importantly, the persecutors have never denied that. theyre from the
Security Service, despite several years of. accusations from my corner on
usenet and in faxed articles. I am not surprised that the. Security Service
Tribunal found "no. determination in your favour". I am however a little
surprised that the persecutors have refused to confirm. my identification
of them;. by doing so, they implicitly admit that my guess was right.
"No determination in your favour" says the. Security Service Tribunal
In 1997, I made a complaint to the. Security Service Tribunal, giving only
the bare outlines of my case. I do not think it would have made. very much
difference if Id made a much. more detailed complaint, since the Tribunal
has no ability. to perform investigatory functions. It can only ask MI5 if
they have an. interest in a subject, to which MI5 are of course free to be
"economical. with the truth". A couple of months after my complaint the
Tribunal replied. that;
The Security. Service Tribunal have now investigated your complaint and
have asked me to inform you that no determination in your favour has. been
made on. your complaint.
Needless to say this reply didnt surprise. me in the slightest. It is a
well established fact that the secret service are a den of. liars and the
Tribunal a toothless watchdog, so to. see them conforming to these
stereotypes might be. disappointing but unsurprising.
It is. noteworthy that the Tribunal never gives the plaintiff information
on whether the "no determination in your. favour" is because MI5 claims to
have no interest in him, or whether they. claim their interest is
"justified". In the 1997 report of the Security Service. Commissioner he
writes that "The ambiguity of the terms in which the. notification of the
Tribunals decision is expressed is intentional", since a. less ambiguous
answer would indicate to the plaintiff whether he were. indeed under MI5
surveillance. But I note that. the ambiguity also allows MI5 to get away
with lying to the question of their interest. in me; they can claim to the
Tribunal that they have no interest, but at a future date, when it. becomes
clear that they did indeed place. me under surveillance and harassment,
they can claim their interest was. "justified" - and the Tribunal will
presumably not admit that in their previous reply MI5 claimed. to have no
interest.
"He doesnt know. who we are"
In early January 1996 I flew on a. British Airways jet from London to
Montreal; also present on the. plane, about three or four rows behind me,
were two young men, one of them fat and voluble, the other. silent. It was
quite clear that these two had been. planted on the aircraft to "wind me
up". The fat youth described the town in. Poland where I had spent
Christmas, and. made some unpleasant personal slurs against me. Most
interestingly, he said the. words, "he doesnt know who we are".
Now I find this. particular form of words very interesting, because while
it is. not a clear admission, it is only a half-hearted attempt at denial
of my guess that "they" = "MI5". Had my guess been wrong, the. fat youth
would surely have said. so more clearly. What he was trying to do was to
half-deny something he knew to be true,. and he was limited to making
statements which he knew. to be not false; so he made a lukewarm denial
which on the face of it means. nothing, but in fact acts as a confirmation
of my guess of. who "they" are.
On one of the other occasions when I saw. the persecutors in person, on the
BA flight to Toronto in June 1993,. one of the group of four men said, "if
he tries to. run away well find him". But the other three stayed totally
quiet and avoided eye contact. They did so to avoid. being apprehended and
identified - since if they were identified, their employers. would have
been revealed, and it would become known that it was the secret. services
who. were behind the persecution.
Why are. MI5 So Afraid to admit their involvement?
If you think about it, what has been going on in Britain for. the last nine
years is simply beyond. belief. The British declare themselves to be
"decent" by definition,. so when they engage in indecent activities such as
the persecution. of a mentally ill person, their decency "because were
British" is still in the. forefront of their minds, and a process of mental
doublethink. kicks in, where their antisocial and indecent activities are
blamed. on the victim "because its his fault were persecuting him", and
their self-regard. and self-image of decency remains untarnished. As
remarked in another. article some time ago, this process is basically the
same as a large. number of Germans employed fifty years ago against Slavic
"untermenschen" and the Jewish "threat" - the. Germans declared, "Germans
are known to be decent. and the minorities are at fault for what we do to
them" - so they were able to retain the view of themselves. as being
"decent".
Now suppose. this entire episode had happened in some other country. The
British have a. poor view of the French, so lets say it had all happened in
France. Suppose. there was a Frenchman, of non-French extraction, who was
targeted by. the French internal security apparatus, for the dubious
amusement of French television newscasters, and tortured for. 9 years with
various sexual and other verbal. abuse and taunts of "suicide". Suppose
this all came out into the. open. Naturally, the French authorities would
try hard to place the blame on their victim. - and in their own country,
through the same state-controlled media which the authorities employ. as
instruments of torture, their view might prevail - but. what on earth would
people overseas. make of their actions? Where would their "decency" be
then?
This is. why MI5 are so afraid to admit theyre behind the
persecution. Because if they did admit responsibility, then they would. be
admitting. that there was an action against me - and if the truth came out,
then the. walls would come tumbling down. And if the persecutors were to
admit they were from MI5, then. you can be sure I would report the
fact; and the persecutors support would fall away,. among the mass media as
well as among the general. public. When I started identifying MI5 as the
persecutors in. 1995 and 1996 there was a sharp reduction in media
harassment, since people read my internet newsgroup posts and. knew I was
telling the truth. The persecutors cannot deny my claim that. theyre MI5,
because then I would report. their denial and they would be seen as liars -
but. they cannot admit it either, as that would puncture their campaign
against me. So they are forced to. maintain a ridiculous silence on the
issue of their identity,. in the face of vociferous accusations on internet
newsgroups and. faxed articles.
Have MI5 lied to the Home. Secretary?
In order for the Security Services to bug my. home, they would either have
needed a warrant from the Home Secretary, or they might have. instituted
the bugging without a warrant. Personally I think it. is more likely that
they didnt apply for a warrant - I cannot see any Home Secretary. giving
MI5 authority to. bug a residence to allow television newscasters to
satisfy their rather voyeuristic. needs vis-a-vis one of their
audience. But it is possible that the Security Service presented a. warrant
in some form before a home secretary at some point in the last nine. years,
for telephone tapping or surveillance of my. residence, or interception of
postal. service.
So the. possibility presents itself that a Home Secretary might have signed
a warrant presented to him based on MI5 lies. Just as MI5. lie to the
Security Service Tribunal, so they. might have lied to a Home Secretray
himself.. MI5 and MI6 are naturally secretive services former home
secretary. Roy Jenkins said, they have a "secretive atmosphere
.... secretive. vis-a-vis the government as well as [enemies]". Jenkins
also said he "did not form a very high regard for how they. discharged
their. duties".
It. was only a few years ago that MI5 was brought into any sot the
extraordinary thing. is that British media organisations like the state-
and taxpayer-funded BBC take such. an active part in the MI5-inspired
campaign of harassment. We. have after all heard of MI5 trying to bribe
broadcast journalists; but surely there must be a substantial. number who
are not bought or blackmailed by. the Security Services, and who take part
in the "abuse by newscasters" of their own volition? The BBC. is supposed
to be independent of the government of the day as well as. the
Establishment in general. While perhaps it is childish to think. that the
BBC is anything other than effectively. state-controlled, the degree of
collusion between the BBC and the British Secret. Police MI5 is something
you would not find in many countries. Individual. tele-journalists in other
countries. would have enough self-esteem not to allow themselves to be
controlled by their. secret police - seemingly, BBC broadcasters like
Martyn. Lewis and Nicholas Witchell have such a low opinion of their
employing organisation that they see no. wrong in dragging the BBCs
no-longer-good. name through yet more mud, at the mere request (whether
supported by. financial or other inducements) of the British secret Police,
MI5.
And when challenged,. these broadcasters LIE about their involvement, with
just as little shame as MI5 themselves. The BBCs Information dept. have
said. that;
"I can assure. you that the BBC would never engage in any form of
surveillance activity such as. you describe"
which is an out-and-out lie. Buerk and Lewis have themselves lied to. their
colleagues in the BBCs Information. department over the "newscaster
watching",. but unsurprisingly they refuse to put these denials in
writing. Doubtless if. the "newscaster watching" ever comes to light, Buerk
and Lewis will then continue to lie by lying about. these denials. So much
for the "impartial" BBC, a nest of liars bought and. paid for by the
Security. Services!
It is obvious. that the persecution is at the instigation of MI5 themselves
- they have read. my post, and only they have the surveillance technology
and media/political access.. Yet they have lied outright to the Security
Service Tribunal. Similarly, BBC newscasters Michael. Buerk and Martyn
Lewis have lied to members. of their own organisation. The continuing
harassment indicates they are all petrified of this. business coming out
into. the open. I will continue to do everything possible to ensure that
their wrongdoing is. exposed.
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